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Ian -- I am green with envy seeing this series you've put together. Beautiful jetons!

That is simply awesome, Pat. Congrats! A terrific find!!

I remember looking up William John Taylor in Holborn on old lists... He's listed as being there around the middle of the 19th century, as an engraver.

I certainly didn't pay the equivalent of AU $94.50, though. I have no idea how rare or common it may be.

Since it is less than a 15 on the photo grading scale they have listed. Being you are into those types. What would you think the value would be, since I have no Idea what the grade would be? as the prices in dollars seem to be out of this world.

The problem is that you can't even see the date...

Hey! I like the French 5 centimes Revolutionary coinage!

http://www.lefranc.net/monnaie,cinq-centimes-dupr-grand-module,115.html

Hi Tomtom -- I'm afraid that for the French coins you're right. None has any silver value and they're all high mintages.

When I was buying French jetons that showed bees --including variants of this one-- on eBay, a friend warned me that there was a bidder on eBay who would try to buy anything with bees on it (coins, dishes, silverware, etc etc). He/she would drive up the price by bidding high.

You can get some idea of market value by looking for how much your coins (the specific date, mint and condition) have sold on eBay in the past.

Its not a mule; the 1903 issue has a different reverse than the 1904 and 1905.

French 20 franc gold pieces, starting in 1803 and continuing through 1914, have always weighed 6.45 grams at 90% gold, so that gives the 5.81 grams listed as gold content on the page you give the link to.

Your medal is certainly real and most likely dates from the 18th century; it's just not struck in silver. A trial is a first copy struck in a cheaper metal so the engraver can check how the design looks (etc.) before deciding to go on to making final copies in bronze or silver. Trials were often done in lead, although if yours is light, it may be a mixture of other metals. People collect trials; yours is certainly interesting; it may be worth somewhat more than you think, to the right collector.

The coin certainly looks real --it's the right color, the strike is solid, it's dented the way a 90% gold coin dents... If the weight is right, I wouldn't worry.

My thoughts are with you and Frannie, Art.

(can't help remarking --it takes some chutzpah, Monsieur l'Empereur Napoléon, to have a medal made commemorating your "entry" into Moscow, considering you only got to stay a night or two before the Russians burned it down just to spite you, and you and your army had to skedaddle back west, which was another not-so-glorious event. So really all you got was an "entry" into Moscow, right?)

Used with scales to weigh coins. The pistole was a gold coin, usually worth 2 écus, minted in Spain or Italy. Molière has characters who talk about pistoles rather than écus; they circulated in France in the 17th century --thus the portrait of Louis XIV, similar to what you find on real coins of the era:

Check out this link to a Google Books online copy, page 252 of Münzen- und Medaillen-Sammlung in der Marienburg, edited by Emil Bahrfeldt. Your medal is there, listed in silver...

https://books.google.com/books?id=Du81AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA252&lpg=PA252&dq=ex+armata+non+hostiliter+pressa&source=bl&ots=KvxVX6Vgqg&sig=bRDJmyPy0AJZN0WMTxy3Y6MUEc8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KpW9VIvLIoiWgwTO5YAI&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=ex%20armata%20non%20hostiliter%20pressa&f=false

(later edit: Your copy of the medal looks as if it were struck in something other than silver, perhaps as a trial...)

Here's to another year, m!

Let me know how it feels to be so old. I'll be there in July. Thanks for going first. (deference, bowing and scraping)

Love this type of jeton...

Wonderful medals and research --very interesting!

TDP, I posted this on another numismatic site, it turns out it is quite naughty http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,28829.0.html

 

Maybe it's my dirty mind but the mark on the reverend's lap suggests what you suggested.

 

Please do not be shocked

Wonderful, wonderful. Love the responses you got on worldofcoins.eu. I have learned some very useful German.

I absolutely love these Spanish Netherlands jetons, their design, the historical references, the lettering, the iconography... Many seem to survive in high quality. If I ever win the lottery I will happily spend the rest of my days collecting every last one I can get my hands on.

Congratulations, Pat! Epic, epic. I am green with jealousy.

Hi peruna --this doesn't look French, but a larger, brighter photo would really help.

I know I've pulled some late 'teens out of penny rolls before, but nothing that I can reliably stick a date to. It's been quite some time. And I know I saw at least one IHC and one Buffalo nickel when I had a paper route in the 1970s. And there was one epic roll of halves right around the time that the Hunt boys were playing with the market that was all silver, mostly 40%, but including two or three 1964 Kennedys and one Franklin. Definitely made my money back on that one!

I had a paper route in the '70s, too! People gave me whatever change they had sitting around for years --Columbian Expo halves, Peace dollars, Merc dimes, winged eagle cents, Buffalo nickels. There was still a large amount of pre-1964 silver circulating.

These days I look for "old" Jeff nickels --it's not too rare to find a 1940's one. They're not worth much, but they're cool.