AnemicOak Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 Hi gang, I bought this coin a few months ago. It was cheap & I thought it was interesting, but I'd like to figure out an attribution for it. I think it's a Petermenger from Trier as it's very similar to a coin I found searching a French auction. Here's my coin... Here's a translated version of the auction description... GERMANY - TRIER - JEAN-HUGUES Of ORSBECKPetermenger 1467. Petermenger, (1676-1711), 1686, Trier, (Ar, 18 Misters, 8 h., 0,78 G.). (). IOAN HVGO D G A T HC has. Its weapons in full field surmounted by an electoral hat. R MONE - NOV. - TREV 1686. Bust of Saint-Pierre seen of face, nimbé and draped, holding the Gospels of the right hand and the keys of the left hand. B.II, p.66 - KM/G. p.815 n°30. TTB 350FF. 450FF. The petermenger or “part with the effigy of Pierre” runs for 8 pfennigs. The petermenger corresponds to the albus. 3 petermengers are worth 5 kreutzers. Jean-Hugues d' Orsbeck succeeded in 1676 Charles-Gaspard de Leyen (1652-1676) and he even, has as a successor Charles of Lorraine, archbishop of Trier (1711-1716). and here's a pic of the auction coin... So I'm pretty sure at what it is, but wanted some confirmation. My coin is 18mm & 1.38 grams. No idea what it's worth either, I didn't pay much. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drusus Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 Well, its certainly a coin (petermenger) of Johann Hugo von Orsbeck who was the Princebishop of Trier (1675-1711) I have seen coins by him but never this exavt one... archbishopric of Trier (German States). The mintmaster initials AL for mintmaster Adam Longerich (mintmaster 1678-1683) thus this was minted in the first year of the mint masters ternure. On the obverse the crowned arms of archbishop Johann Hugo von Orsbeck are depicted. On the reverse the figure of St. Peter with key. MONETA NOVA TREVIR(ensis) means new coin from Trier. IOHAN HUGO D.G. ARCH(bishop) TREV(irensis) means Johann Hugo, archbishop of Trier. http://www.muenzauktion.com/ritter/pic/eadt4355.jpg ^^ another similar one I have seen these coins come around here and there, the style always varies wildly...I have never seen this exact type and year...and the inscriptions are different than all the others I have seen but that isnt saying anything about it being authentic and I wouldnt know about that. The figure does look a bit different style wise than most I have seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnemicOak Posted April 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 Thanks for the info Drusus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnemicOak Posted April 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 Just a follow up. It's been attributed as... It is listed in "German Coins second edition" as a petermenger from Trier KM#154 (C#30), issued from 1682 to 1689 in the name of Johann Hugo von Orsbeck, archbishop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drusus Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 interesting, so its attributed to 1682 to 1689 even though dated 1678? Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnemicOak Posted April 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 interesting, so its attributed to 1682 to 1689 even though dated 1678? Go figure. You know, I didn't notice that when I got the info. Who knows. Apparently the current Krause has the petermenger section all messed up. Guess I'm not quite there yet. Thanks for catching that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drusus Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 I can tell you without doubt that the mint master for the coin is Adam Longerich (the AXL below saint peter ar his intits) and he was mintmaster from 1678-1683 thus this was minted, without doubt, between these years. I assumed it was minted the first year of his tenure...Sorry I can be of more exact help with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnemicOak Posted April 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 Drusus, I appreciate your help Ok, I think we've got a final verdict FWIW... No Brian, if it is from 1678, it will be Trier 1 petermenger KM#138 (C#29), which was issued from 1677 to 1681, also in the name of Johann Hugo, who was archbishop of Trier 1676-1711. In fact the legend says: MONETA NOVA TREVIR(ensis) = new money from Trier, with the mintmasters initials A L from Adam Longerich, mintmaster 1678-1683. On the obverse you can read: IOHAN(nes) HUGO D(ei) G(ratia) ARCH(episcopus) ET EL(ector) TREV(irensis) = Johann Hugo, by the grace of God archbishop and elector of Trier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drusus Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 well...I got pretty close...Pretty much all but the KM# mystery solved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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