vanrejn Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 Due to the fact that I left Russia many years ago, I was unable to bring my father coin collection with me. One of his coins was 1818 Rouble. Recently, I bought 1817 Rouble and unfortunately have some doubts about it authenticity. I would appreciate if members have a look and comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsraghead Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 Other than being cleaned it looks good to me. is the weight and size right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanrejn Posted July 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 Yes, weight was right (20.8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsraghead Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 I'm gonna pm somebody and see if they will take a look Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanrejn Posted July 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 Thank you very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsraghead Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 I sent a friend a pm, but it maybe tommorow before hr checks it. your welcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 Judging only by the picture it is always difficult to be 100% sure that the coin is legit. Let's put it that way, It's not an obvious fake. Other methods need to be applied. The pictures, unfortunately, not clear and not large enough for the front and back of the coin to see the structure of the metal near important parts. That it has been cleaned is also a little a bad point, original patina is the best certificate of authentication. If I saw it on eBay, let's say, I wouldn't bid high, or wouldn't bid at all. Saying that, at this stage, I cannot say if it is original or fake with a high level of certainty. Let’s see what other people think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 Get a magnifying glass or microscope and examine the coin. You have to rely on experience here, if you don't have that, it's a little more difficult unless you can compare with another Russian silver coin of that age. The edge doesn't look bad, and I like that the corners of the edge are sharp, it is a good sign. Most Chinese fakes have their corners cut, and their fakes' metal has a different shine. Additional questions: where did you buy it from and how much did you pay for it? As a last resort you can follow this example: http://coins.su/forum/index.php?app=core&module=attach§ion=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=329430 or at least make your pictures as large... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsraghead Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 thanx again extant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanrejn Posted July 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 I bought it on eBay for 113.50 US$ Just found another 1817 Rouble looking very similar from "different seller" but from same NYC location! http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1817-RUSSIA-SILVER-1-ROUBLE-COIN-/400521155528?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item5d40ebd3c8 Coincidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanrejn Posted July 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 another image of 1817 rouble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanrejn Posted July 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 another image of purchased coin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanrejn Posted July 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 This is just posted coin from "another seller" Both sellers live in the same area and on few occasions bought from each other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsraghead Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 It is questionable isnt it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve D'Ippolito Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 They have identical weakness in the strike and the sellers are at the same address. That sets the alarm bells off for me. I checked the lettering on the reverse against a picture (from Uzdenikov) of that reverse and the Ts look too wide, also.. that was bothering me as they seemed out of proportion to the rest of the font. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsraghead Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 They would have to be from the same die, and that would be very unusual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 As far as I can tell from the pictures now, it is an original coin. I think it's all good. Thank you for the larger images. You can compare details with the these coins if you like: http://www.m-dv.ru/catalog/id,2663/prohod.html You will probably be able to find coins of similar dies. All the questionable details are of a circulation origin or the die master's skill I was hoping with this one, but I am yet to see a copy of the 1817 rouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsraghead Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 I wish I owned one to compare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanrejn Posted July 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 You can buy one, its still 56US$ Anyway, fake it or not my gut feeling said to sent it back. Seller already refunded me. instead I bought 1812(YEAR!) from reputable German dealer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsraghead Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 Lol. I wanta know its real Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanrejn Posted July 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 Seller's selection is very impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanrejn Posted July 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 This is an example of few 100% genuine coins available now. Thank you everybody for valuable comments and great link. http://www.m-dv.ru/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsraghead Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 very nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 No worries. 1812 is fine as well. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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