1877 Rubel Fake or Not

[Voomer]

Hi!

 

I found this on an auction site. Is anybody can prove its authenticity?

The lower part of the B letter in the Rouble word looks odd to me because the two part doesn't meet up.

 

Thanks For Help

[Candidate]

Each coin has 3 sides, better show all of them.

But the reverse alone does not look fake to me.

[bobh]

From a picture, it is sometimes possible to determine that a coin is fake. However, it is not possible to prove that a coin is genuine merely by looking at pictures of it.

 

I don't see anything wrong with this one, but that doesn't really mean anything in light of what I have just said. It could be just a filled die error at the bottom of the letter "Б". There is a somewhat rare variety of the 1897 rouble which has missing bottom parts on two letters, probably also from a filled die.

 

Or, it might be fake ... as Candidate said, there are three sides to every coin. And there is the matter of weight, proper metal, little details not visible in small pictures, etc.

[PeterShell]

Now you have 50 % that the coin is genuine .. In second version 33,(3)% - if we need 3 sides

So at that moment coin is fake - as we take (50 % + 33,3%)/2 = 41,666 % of what we know vice

58,334 % we don't see ...

Better make picture

[Voomer]

Thanks for commenting

 

I post the link of the coin which is ended now. You can see all picture there.

 

http://gyujtemeny.vatera.hu/erme_penz_papirpenz/kulfoldi_penzerme/europa/cari_orosz_rubel_1877_extra_szep_unc_1518340256.html

 

there is another one interesting coin too I would like to show from the same seller. Please have a look. I don't know anything much about this one because i've never had.

The other thing is about the seller that he has some other coins which looks a bit suspicious not just to me ( Greece Drachma and some old Germany Thaler)

One thing is that a lot of coins he had have the same color and patina.

 

http://gyujtemeny.vatera.hu/erme_penz_papirpenz/kulfoldi_penzerme/europa/cari_orosz_rubel_1829_extra_szep_1518340238.html

 

Thanks for answering me

[PeterShell]

Both coins are genuine in my opinion. Nothing suspicious. Nice pieces

[Candidate]

Both coins are genuine.

1877ÍI Rouble is nice, though of course not an "UNC"... and was priced about right ($150-$200).

1829 Rouble looks nice too and was sold rather cheap; it should be around $250-$300.

I see nothing wrong about color - it looks rather yellowish probably because seller's photocamera parameters (as "white balance") were not set properly.

[Voomer]

I have seen this site on the net which has several fakes. Some of them looks perfect

have a look http://antiques-fake.blogspot.com/

[Candidate]

Some of them looks perfect...

... but most still can be recognised easily...