ViFi

Hello 

Correct, gold coins of Nikolay II period were restrike in Soviet time.  There are ways to determine this but one have to be very skilled in being able to see the differences in the portret.  It surprise me that NGC could spontaan place this information on the label. Most probably the owner of the coin has specifically asked to do this in order to raise the price.  Soviet restrikes are usually not more expensive than normal coins, so this case was rather exceptional 

1 hour ago, owen said:

I have not purchased it, the seller wants 150$ which for a fake seems rather steep. thanks for the confirming what i suspected. 

 

Owen

Hi

Perfect! 150 $ is too much for the fake. Genuine price idea is between 1000 to 4000 $ depending on condition. 

16 hours ago, owen said:

I have always loved russian coins, and have collected quite a few, recently i ran across this plate money and was curious if there is someone knowledgeable to tell me if this is a fake or not.

Thank you so much for your time.

Hi! 

I have to disappoint you but this a fake. And rather crude fake. 

I hope you didn't paid too much for it. 

This is how the genuine Novodel looks like for you to compare 

This rouble looks Ok 

And here is site who sells modern Chinese copies of Russian and other coins  https://coinsmoscow.ru/en__category__rossija-do-1917_ac/ 

Hello Ian, 

By saying Chinese souvenir I would not like to say items are really made in China. It is just common wording, however lot of modern fakes come from China. I'm not specialist in fake coins and can't say for sure when do they were made. But it looks specially for 2 first coins that replicas are quite modern. Good online catalog for Russian coins is this one: MDV https://www.m-dv.ru/en/ 

Regarding you warn coin. This looks much more real then previous. I would say - this one is genuine. However one alwasy need to keep the coin in hands to say for sure.  

21 hours ago, Ian said:

Here's my other (rather worn) 10 Kopeks

On 1/28/2021 at 1:58 PM, Ian said:

OK, my latest (and last) addition to my Siberian copper puppies!...for now at least.

This one is a beautiful large slug of copper in the shape of a 10 kopeks coin dated 1768 with the KM mint mark. It weighs in at 62 grams and has a close oblique reeded edge. 

 

And this one is also Chinese souvenir. I hop you didn't spent much for these souvenirs.   

On 1/23/2021 at 5:06 PM, Ian said:

...and here's a 5 kopek `novodel' (weighs in ar 21.6 grams). Plain edge

Same, also Chinese souvenir 

On 1/23/2021 at 5:04 PM, Ian said:

OK here's the 2 kopek `novodel'

Hello Ian, 

I have to disappoint you, but this looks as Chinese souvenir. 

Hello Ian

These Siberian 2 kopeks exist as novodel as well. Weight looks to be correct.

The inscription on the edge says: "coper Kolyvanskaya" meaning coins are made from copper mined from the Kolyvan mines (in Siberia).

To be able to say more need to see the photos. 

18 hours ago, Marekkk said:

WiFi it's one more proof that you don't know much of Russian coins. 

Who told you this???

18 hours ago, Marekkk said:

why Russian and Europe collectors buys only NGC and they don't like PCGS? 

Who told you this? 

20 hours ago, Marekkk said:

I don't agree with you if you say that it is a fake so where is original pattern from which fake coins are made? What you think about katz coin is it fake too?

Fake coins donùt have to be made from original patterns, that is why they are fake coins.  

Hi! I only can say that this is one more proof that NGC has no real experts in Russian coins. I have seen quite a number of slabbed Russian coins in NGC holders which even visually didn´t look as genuine coins. At the same time NGC refuses to slab coins proved to be genuine with many passes on the auctions. So this slab is not a proof that the coins is genuine. My opinion this is a fake. Or old fake. 

Hi, this is 2 Roubles Novodel of Peter I coin, Bitkin 3742 (R2). This type of coins is rare and only exist as Novodel, never have been in circulation, only as trial . But it looks very strange for me that this coin is in so bad condition for a coin, which never have been in circulation? Although it looks similar to genuine I have serieus doubts about this.   

You may have a look here on examples of this coin https://www.m-dv.ru/catalog/id,4809/prohod.html

On 4/11/2020 at 11:36 PM, extant4cell said:

There are no mint indicating letters on 2 kopecks of Elisaveta Petrovna for all 4 mints that produced them, and Uzdenikov had no idea how to sort them out by mint. The coin you pictured (097) is from Ekaterinburg mint, for example.

Until recently it was unknown how to sort coins by mint. In the last 20 odd years that changed. If one is heavily into copper coins of this period, one can find out how to do this. See, for example here: http://www.coinpeople.com/forum/34-russian-coin-articles/...

I've been studying these coins for the last 10 years (in depth since 2015) and every mint has it's own style which on a coin screams what mint it belongs to just as if it had mint letters on it... Particularly, in later years of production... 

That's why, after years of experience, to find something new, pushing the boundaries of the known, is very exciting fo me, and thus my original post. 😉

You are professional in this type of coins of course! I just ordered you book to get some more knowledge. 

This is coverpage of the Uzdenikov´s handbook. 

Hello 

If you take the handbook of Uzdenikov and look at 2 kopecks of Elizabeth period you can see that for SPB mint there are no letters on the coin. 

I think it´s very hard to say this not having those 2 different types in your hands. Or you should at least must see a lot of them in the past to be able to see the difference between convex and normal coinage.  There are few other such coins with hard to see differences.  

A-ha, and now you want to sell it, right?

Hi

I use Catawiki.com auction. Site has easy to use interface and auctions are at least every week. So quick and easy to sell. 

1 hour ago, sigistenz said:

How to explain the wear? Did these rubles go into circulation, maybe as pyatak and ruble? 

Sigi

Good question! It can be they were in circulation. 

29 minutes ago, sigistenz said:

Did these yefimki circulate?

Sigi

 

I do not think those were yefimki. Novodels were stamped on new blanks

Even called Novodels, those coins were made most probably in Ekatherina II period. So wear is normal for them. Novodels were prohibited to make in 1890.  At that time most of the original stamps were  destroyed. 

Hello 

I have 2 such roubles in my collection: one silver and one copper. The copper one is most rare. It is not described in most of the catalogs. I like these coins very much.