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Apparently a key word in description is "antiquarian" meaning fake was produced some time ago. Why this may bring 9000 dollar price I do not know. I guess one who bid for it still had a hope was is not fake.

I read comments from Starsya Moneta forum. I think their point is that as coin is over struck on other 5 kopeck coin this implies that it is a fake.

This story is very intriguing. Thanks for posting.

Here are past prices if you did not know of this site.

https://www.m-dv.ru/catalog/id,660/prohod.html

Nevertheless I did not hear Adam and Eve are being called an "ideal" family. They are the first people but not "ideal". 

Thanks for detailed explanation. So you called this coin "ideal" because it is extremely rare and would be "ideal" contribution to rare coin collection. Correct?

Hi extant4cell. I read Russian translation of same article you posted at forum Staraya Moneta. Honestly I did not have opportunity to understand why you call IDEAL these 5 kopeck coins. There on Staraya Moneta forum I refrained from asking this as people there are too serious about their hobby. They possibly could just drown me in poop if I did. Could you explain to simple people as me what you meant?

It's fake. Among other things it should have reeded edge. Also only 200 were made. They all are accounted for. 

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Of course. Now they have a tsar again.

Interesting. I did not know this collection is at Smithsonian. Looking forward to see the pictures. When I will happen to be in Washington DC will definately go to look at the collection.

Coin on photo looks good to me.

letters in words RUBLE 1897 are fatter and larger compared to good coin

Looks fake to me.

You forgot to post a picture.

Judging by the way the listing is presented it is a scam. It is known to seller that 1930 penny is a rarity. They showed it to some "experts". They know the rest of coins worth nothing. Nevertheless they do not have a single good picture of both sides of rare 1930. The winner just lost 2000$ to a fraudsters.

The link to an article on hairlines from NGC site: http://www.ngccoin.com/news/viewarticle.aspx?NewsletterNewsArticleID=511

IgorS, thanks a lot for this article. It is an eye opener. This is a revelation:

"Easily seen hairlines are tolerated and even expected for grades of MS 63 and lower."

I apologize. I compared coin photo on PCGS site with your photo of the slab and think coin is same.

PSGS slab on picture is fake. Are all slabs from your "collection" like this one?

Theoretically due to "external environment" coin prices should go down. Collectible coins however do not tend to follow normal market trends as they are not an everyday necessity. Buyers will be less willing to pay high prices for collectible coins. Sellers however will hold to their coins till better times. There will be not many good coins to buy for cheap price.

can I offer you a piece of advice? Do not buy this holed junk at all. Neither buy that 1834 rouble you have another post on. These coins are a shame to have and it will be a shame selling them.

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$100 is way too much for remnants of a coin with a hole in it. It is worth the cost of metal plus a little bit as much as you want to give. I would say may be 10 bucks is a price for it?

A scar on obverse looks as serious flan metal lamination. Laminated piece had by now broke off. Overall coin condition is poor. Edge inscription looks convincing but obverse and reverce are worn and cleaned so much that I cannot even be sure if coin is authentic. SPB stands for Sankt-Petersburg - a mint where it was struck.

 

one-kuna, thanks for the welcome and please accept my apology for the delay in replying to you. I bought that coin and posted my question prior to receiving it. Bought it for the date variety; Proof vs. MS was a curiosity bonus. I am still leaning towards "PF" but do not insist on it. As the saying goes art (proof) in the eyes of a beholder.

 

IMIS, could you please provide a link to a picture of coin we are talking about?

New e-auction on Kuenker has something similar... but not slabbed..

Which coin do you mean?