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  1. Hi,


    The legends actually read (obv):  LUDOVICUS XIII  FRANCORUM ET NAVARAE REX (Louis XIII King of France and Navarre)

                                                   (rev):  TE STANTE LILIA FLORENT (literally `when you take a stand, lillies bloom')

    The jeton was issued for the french Chancellory under the reign of Louis XIII. Reverse has Justice standing holding a sword in one hand and a chest  in the other.

    reference: Feuardent 12120

    value? condition is not so good i'm afraid so i'd say anything from $5 -$15 ...maybe more on a good day on ebay.


  2. I've no idea who the engraver was or who actually struck this medalet, but this was top of the list with a simple google search. The `Horae Scholasticae' was the name of the school magazine and it looks like the obverse is someone using a screw press (for printing purposes?) and that the medalet was possibly struck to commemorate the first publication of the magazine (?)


  3. Finally managed to get hold of an example of the jeton issued by the `Caisse Centrale de Commerce et des Chemins de Fer'. It's a jeton relevant to `banking' , `trains', `boats', and `general commerce'.

    The scarcity falls into the category of `scarcer than hen's teeth' and only rarely surfaces on the market...and usually requires significant financial outlay. Fortunately for me I saw this one apparently before the rest of the world was awake ......and got it at a relative bargain. Unfortunately most `bargains' come with some form of baggage and this one is no exception. if you look at the obverse,  running from mid lift to top right you will notice that the colouration is lighter than the rest of the jeton. This is due to some cretan having tried to `smooth' out a flaw in the planchet. The `flaw' is an indentation that looks as if a piece of the jeton has flaked off. It is most likely due to a dirty die where a piece of debris has been struck into the planchet and then fallen off, leaving the indentation. It might also have been caused by a bad metal mix when the planchet was first made, but unlikely. Ah well.....c'est la vie as the saying goes.1048655.jpg



  4. I've just upgraded the example I have of this particular jeton, which was struck sometime in the 1670's for the Paris Chambre des Assurances (maritime assurance syndicate). I'm not sure how to grade this one (?) I've never seen a better example than this one and i'm not sure whether that is because the original strikings were poorly /flatly struck in the first place or that the surviving examples are just significantly worn. I'm sticking with `fine' for now but other opinions would be welcome.

    Reverse has a ship sinking in the distance and in the foreground a survivor is holding on to what looks like a raft.


  5. 20 hours ago, Iluvforeignsets said:

    Amazon has a kindle edition of the first one and there is a free preview. I don't see any pictures in it, is that normal?

    The second one I found on Ebay for $100. That's a little bit over my league. Are there PDF or scanned versions online of these books?


    Thxs again



    Feuardent has no pictures of the individual jetons but provides an extensive record of the jetons produced for the various royal administrations /personages /functions. Although extensive, there are omissions . Volume 4 has images of the various bust types that were used, but these are the only images. I think google has this work archived and available (?).

    Mitchiner is better for images, but again is very far from being a fully comprehensive work. 

    Both are quite indispensable references for any serious study of the general subject.

    Somewhere in this section of coinpeop's a  mention is made of Gadoury.......another dealer's catalogue.  Check this link out


    There are two catalogues available (possibly more now). Both are great for giving a taster and starting point of the subject matter.....but nothing more.  If you keep your eyes peeled, they do come up every now and again on ebay.

    Best thing for you (IMHO) would be to make use of CGB's website and archives. I'd start by gaining an understanding of what a `jeton de presence' is, how they came about.....and how rare some of these actually are.  Some really rare pieces that end up going for a song because most people don't know what they are. Some people however can pay more than they ought to because they don't know what they are buying and how common the item is. This is a subject where knowledge is king!  ;)

    happy hunting!....PS: ...why not share a pic of your acquisition with the peop's here?


  6. Hi. Firstly, welcome aboard!

    My main interest is French jetons, so i'll stick with that in terms of reference materials . My key advice to any collector is that they should buy (and study) the book before buying anything else.

    You might want to have a look at cgb.fr website as a good starting point. They have records of jetons that have passed through their hands, as well as their current stock.They have produced auction /sales catalogues over the years (over 20), the first five of which are very hard to find in hard copy format, but they are available electronically. these will give a good `flavour' of both scope and values.

    Standard references are:

    1. Feuardent's `jetons et mereaux depuis Louis IX a la fin du consulat de Bonaparte' (four vols)

    2. Mitchiner's `Jetons, Medalets & Tokens Vol 2: The Low Countries and France'

    There is extensive literature for more specialised interests.... but too much information too quickly can be more of a disadvantage than an advantage ;)

    Plenty of scope for the modest collector in this field.


  7. here's an example of Jean Baptiste Daniel-Dupuis's work in the form of a jeton struck for the shareholders /directors of the `Compagnie des Mines a Charbon D'Aniche'(Aniche coal mines). This example was actually struck circa 1890. 

    As an aside, what has happened to the images that were attached to some of the posts in this thread (?)


  8. On 6/30/2013 at 11:08 PM, Vipersan said:

    I posted the same question on another coin forum ..and it was suggested this was actually a die flaw ..and not uncommon..



    Just saw this post while looking for something else in this forum........gosh! it only took five years for me to notice it was there :)

    ...anyway.....the extra metal is as a result of a crack in the reverse die. When the coin was struck it forced the metal up through the crack to form the `splash' that you see (aka a `cud' amongst numisnuts like me). The die crack would most probably have started small and enlarged with each successive strike until it was no longer functional (ie broke up) broke. I recall a thread somewhere concerning `the death of a die' which talked about (and showed examples of coins (and the cuds produced) as the die deteriorated. 

    With regards to these particular large coins, it is not too unusual to find evidence of die cracks /flan splits. To me it only adds a certain additional `character' to the coin.

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