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  1. www.petitioncrown.com This year is the 500th anniversary of England’s capture of the city of Tournai The Earliest Dated English Coin was a Groat (4 d - a French gros) struck by Henry VIII in the then French city of Tournai (now Belgium) in 1513. This piece bears the date 1513 in Arabic numerals. HENRIC. 8. DI. GRA. FRANCIE. ET. ANGLIE. REX Henry VIII by the Grace of God King of France and England CIVITAS TORNA CENSIS 1:5:1:3 and the centre of the coin h Citi Tornai 1:5:1:3 The earliest Exceptionally Rare coin dated 1513. Struck in the name of an English monarch Henry 8. The Tournai Groat (gros or 4d) struck subsequent to the capture of the town in September 1513 from France. It remained under English control until October 1518 when Tournai was returned to France on the payment of 600’000 crowns. The earliest dated English coin was previously considered to be the 1547 (MDXLVII) dated pattern shillings of Edward VI Hitherto the earliest dated English coin was thought to be the 1547 (MDXLVII) pattern shilling of Edward VI. The incomprehensible original is below With Snelling some time prior to 1769 Benjamin Bartlett, collection sold Gerard 25/4/1787 Edward Hodsoll, collection bought by Tyssen in the late 1700s Samuel Tyssen 3087, Sotheby 12/4/1802. Bought by Young £11/11/- for Barrè Charles Roberts, collection purchased by the British Museum in 1810. Sold/Exchanged by the BM after 1915, exact date unknown. Dr.Carter acquired Baldwins 1950 Glendining 8/7/1970 lot 59 R.Philippi SNC 5/1990 no.2521 £5’000- Frank Brady bought Spinks, Sold Auction 290, Spink 209, 6/10/2011 Snelling states that there were only two known, one in the cabinet of the Duke of Devonshire and another formerly held by Mr. Benjamin Bartlett, with two others of a different, but similar type. Now it appears there are a total of 3 known examples with a shield surmounted by an imperial crown with the lis and lion on either side. On the reverse in the centre h with only one of the other type. These are in British Museum, Ch. Vander Elst not traced & the coin above Ex.Brady 2012. The style is similar to contemporary issues of French coin in appearance and therefore it was highly likely struck by dies produced by a local engraver and workers and struck in Tournai the captured town who has a long tradition in minting Thanks are due to the following people in assisting with this article. The lead writer R. Pearce, with assistance from Barrie Cook (British Museum), Olivier Elsen (Jean Elsen & ses Fils s.a.), Emily Freeman (Rascoins), Marvin Lessen and Tim Webb-Ware. Notes 1. T. Snelling, A View of the Coins struck by English Princes in France (London 1769) 2. Rev. R Ruding, Annals of the Coinage of Great Britain and its Dependencies (London 1840) British Museum, Description of the Anglo-Gallic Coins in the British Museum (London 1826) 3. M Hoc, Histoire monetaire de Tournai (Brussels 1970) 4. William Harshaw collection of William Boyne Papers, University of Toronto library (Accession number RB.MS.92.017) 5. Van der Elst, in an article called ‘ethnographic record’
  2. What 2011 will bring for British Coin collecting? Coins are a Work of Art From www.petitioncrown.com Consider a coin of the finest quality a work of art. The dies for coinage were created by the country’s finest artist to show the monarch at his best, often to mark a specific event. A coin that has survived the centuries is like an ancient artifact and no less important, it is being valued for its beauty, quality and rarity. Modern records show that great collections were being formed in the 17th centuries and point to the timelessness of the beauty and appeal of the best work of the engravers. The most select coins have always demanded a premium price. When an auctioneer tries to establish an estimate, it is just that, an estimate is only based on historic information and the auctioneers own sense of understanding the market all be it at present clearly wrong. Those who depend only on history for “comparables” with reference to pricing you will invariably miss out on those rare occasions when the exceptional material comes to the market. Fine art is different from strict financial investments. We saw recently the fault that exists in “financial tools” that purported to be worth specific amounts but we woke up one day and found the value no longer existed. On Dec 2nd 2010 a Testoon a portrait coin of Mary, Queen of Scotland [see on www.petitioncrown.com ] caught the eye of many collectors, it was last recoded sale was for 16 gbp in 1936, it is a magnificent piece, it was interesting that at the closing price three people required the coin for different reasons, one an ancient collector of coins who in fact did not collect ladies but fell in love with the quality of this lady and detail, another who collected because of the history of this Queen of Scotland that had a difficult life and the other who buys coin as “A Work of Art”. This Testoon described as seen when you hold it in the hand has a “presence” that ties directly to 1562. This portrait could be from the National Portrait Gallery. This was not just a coin in a recent London sale but a part of British heritage. This is also a coin that has a “wow” factor, an “eye appeal” that is immediately arresting and almost breathtaking. This exceptional portrait coin reflecting a high Renaissance influence is rare in any condition and exceptionally rare in such high relief and outstanding condition. Then you hold the piece, minted in 1562 and dream to whom such a piece of Mary, the Catholic Queen of Scots would have belonged, the pouch it would have travelled in, whose hands it would have been in during the past 449 years ago, her last days in Fotheringhay Castle where the scene was set for Queen Mary to be execution. That morning when Mary was to be executed was a dismal day and as you dream you can see the people tether their horses to witness a grotesque killing on the scaffolding where it took three attempts by the executioner to sever the head. What will all this mean in the future? To the hobby of Numismatics – The market of numismatics will change. Enter a new breed of collector and dealer has a background of art, that considers coins as part of fine art market, the ART OF COINS as part of art appreciation – dealers that before would minimize there need to invest in their stock will start to invest in stocks so they can make a credible offering to the collector as the general art world does. The recent auctions show new collectors have started entering the market worldwide; this new generation of collectors does not have the “hang-ups” of the old time collector. Price is not measured by yearly increases or decreases; it reverts back 100+ years were individual pieces of quality fetched amazing premiums. Others call him an investor, an opportunist. Call him what you will, he is the next generation of collector. He (or, increasingly, she) sees a coin, falls in love with it and wishes to own it. The work of art is the driving factor for the coin as a “work of art”. Those with the perception to recognize that “price” does not guarantee “quality” will also understand that “quality” establishes its own price. All what I write should not disturb the existing market but bring another layer of collectors to our hobby. A few weeks ago one ancient coin of beauty was expected to be 3’000 euro maybe 6’000 euro in an extreme case, the coins was an “extreme coins and sold with commission for 32’000 euro but truly a work of art and in superb condition. Quite simple the market will develop at a speed that will encourage those that do not like the new dynamics to sell at prices they did not dream to get? It makes little difference if parts of the market dips, as the renaissance type coins find new levels, what is important is the change that has started and it is attracting a new younger breed of collectors that will continue are ancient hobby into the future. I feel lucky that I have two boys who enjoy the hobby both with different areas that interest them. The auction rooms will for a little more time host a lot of bemused and confused faces, dealers and collectors alike as the new generation feel there feet. Time to start now FEB 2 2011 www.petitioncrown.com
  3. Hi upoaded a few coronation medals for interest at www.petitioncrown.com or http://www.petitioncrown.com/Coronation_Medallions.html
  4. first time - nice site, it is great the number of British coin related sites on the internet now. Regads , I can see that you r doing a 7/24 job n the iternet www.petitioncrown.com
  5. first time - nice site, it is great the number of British coin related sites on the internet now. Regads , I can see that you r doing a 7/24 job n the iternet www.petitioncrown.com
  6. Hi all back again. www.petitioncrown.com is having a complete overhaul I need help In 18 months I had 114 requests for hammered and early milled coinage. I am not a website builder and do not know what is important to the individual collector. You will see the navigation buttons are not in small hidden groups yet - just ignore them Help write and tell me how in your eyes to improve the site: Continuous new coins daily or weekly Links to world news Gold price live Stories about specific coins Information about Britain at a specific time the coins were made A forum A place to post your own photos on the site In the UK or World Wide we have a growing number of collectos - the site is a non commercial project and is not created to develop an information site for investors. www.petitioncrown.com BR
  7. paul@pauldaviesltd.co.uk is good but first check with all the dealers u wish to possibly do business with if there is a premium and how much over the "gold spot price". recently it has been reaching +10%, far too high.
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