Marekkk

I already found that coin in one collection. Also two museums in Moscow has it. This graded denga is novodel and has no bitkin catalogue. Waiting for museum reply and I will post evidence

21 hours ago, squirrel said:

The other type also has a copy

http://copycoins.ru/1-denga-1805-goda-em

The die variation isn't the same as your added copy

3 hours ago, ViFi said:

Hi! I only can say that this is one more proof that NGC has no real experts in Russian coins. I have seen quite a number of slabbed Russian coins in NGC holders which even visually didn´t look as genuine coins. At the same time NGC refuses to slab coins proved to be genuine with many passes on the auctions. So this slab is not a proof that the coins is genuine. My opinion this is a fake. Or old fake. 

WiFi it's one more proof that you don't know much of Russian coins. You say that ngc has no real experts for Russian coins so can you explain why Russian and Europe collectors buys only NGC and they don't like PCGS? If you have pcgs you must send to reeveluate to ngc if you want to get bigger price. Also it is seen at auctions pcgs coins 10-20% the others 80-90% ngc russian coins. You want another proof go to numisbids and add to search "russia ngc" and "russia pcgs" and you will see the difference

1 hour ago, ViFi said:

Hi! I only can say that this is one more proof that NGC has no real experts in Russian coins. I have seen quite a number of slabbed Russian coins in NGC holders which even visually didn´t look as genuine coins. At the same time NGC refuses to slab coins proved to be genuine with many passes on the auctions. So this slab is not a proof that the coins is genuine. My opinion this is a fake. Or old fake. 

I don't agree with you if you say that it is a fake so where is original pattern from which fake coins are made? What you think about katz coin is it fake too?

Mr Katz also have unpublished unknown and unlisted coins. There lots of copper coins that we don't know and also you can't find it in any catalogue. Only graders can say if it is original or not...

https://katzauction.com/lots/view/1-3X9AUP/russia-1-kopek-1824-ngc-unpublished-type