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Wow!  I wonder what the 1st and 2nd prizes looked like?

On 2/13/2019 at 8:22 PM, 49ermatt said:

 

Here is my 1836 Davos.  Unlike Rod, I only have this one, but I think it's a beauty.  PCGS SP65.

 

Absolutely gorgeous 👍

Hi NewKid!

I can certainly identify most of the medals you have there and they do have value.  I would contact Craig Keplinger at keplingercoins@mchsi.com or our own Rod Moore who is a forum member here.  Both are honest and very knowledgeable on Swiss shooting medals.

Good luck!

Tim

On 4/17/2018 at 4:22 PM, schutzenfester said:

Not released quite yet, supposedly May and 85EUR.

Hi Rod,

I am so anxious to get my hands on the second edition!  A few questions......

How did you convince Richter to put your favorite Swiss shooting medal design on the front cover?

Do you know or feel that most of the medal values have increased and reflected in the second edition?

Do you feel that tying "vz-unz" values to a specific grade of AU53 and "FDC" to MS64 will be problematic for the collector?  How did Richter come to those comparisons?

4 hours ago, schutzenfester said:

Yes, it is highly anticipated. If a person does not have the first edition and for that matter, even if they do, the second revised edition will be a must have for anyone with any amount of interest in Swiss schützenfest medals. 

The pictures are full size and in color and with the addition of English translations and so much new content this will be indespensible for reference. It is also going to have updated market values. 

I for one am looking forward to the second revised edition as my original one is in tatters from referring to it daily.

Do you think that most of the new additional shooting medals are from countries outside of Switzerland?  I have come across Swiss shooting medals from Central and South America that were not on the original Richter book but very few, if any, that are original Switzerland issues.

Updated market values should be interesting.  Actual values should be up from the original book but no where near the fantasy prices some people are asking for on eBay.  Also, there should be some adjustments to rarity ratings. 

2 hours ago, schutzenfester said:

Hi Tim,

 

I have not seen it before and I am unsure about my Dad. I will show and ask him. This medal (30mm) is in Richter's new revised catalog. Actually, the picture in the revised catalog looks as though it is the same one as you show here. Some of the makes/patina looks extremely if not exact. Did you send him pictures of your's? 

Very nice looking medal!

Thanks Rod!  I did initially forward the pics to a Swiss dealer who must have forwarded it to Richter.

I was not aware that Richter's new revised catalog was finally available.

Hi Rod and everyone else.

Have you or your Dad ever seen this Swiss shooting medal before?  I bought it from a British coin dealer.  Argentina, Cordoba, 30mm silver(?), not listed on Richter.

Tim

 

1895 Genève, canton Genève

R686a / M377

Excercice Arquebuse et Navigation

AR

51 mm

Engraver: Hugues Bovy, Genève

Mintage: 8 pieces for this date

RRR

This is my favorite large shooting medal. Richter states that the mintage for 1895 is 7 examples although my Father and I know of 8 pieces. My example below is in outstanding condition with proof-like surfaces.

The medal was awarded in 1893, 1894, 1895, 1898, 1899, 1900, 1901, 1903, 1904, 1905, and 1906.

It was struck in silver and bronze with the silver examples being somewhat harder to find.

Since this is my favorite larger schützenfest medal, I have attempted to collect as many silver and bronze pieces as I can when the opportunity arises. I am asking my fellow CoinPeople members to keep an eye out for this medal for me. If you see one or have one you would sell, please contact me.

 

Rod,

Great looking medal and also one of my favorites!

Also presented in 1897 as I have R701b, M377 with the inscription of "Cible Blanche 2me Prix".

Will certainly let you know if I ever decide to part with it.

Tim

 

1896 Wangen, canton Bern

R233a / M147

Free and Section Shoot

AR

39 mm

Engraver: Franz Homberg, Bern

Mintage: 100 pieces

RR

 

 

Hi Rod,

Beautiful medal and photography, as usual!

I am lucky enough to have one of these in my collection. I remember when I first saw it, the color and texture of the surface made me think that it might actually be "silvered" bronze, as opposed to silver. Richter does not list a "silvered" bronze but only silver ® or bronze (RR). What are your thoughts on this and do you feel that it is actually all silver?

Tim

Honestly, not sure I like it! But it does raise a few questions: 1) What is your newest medal? 2) Are you open to collecting every shooting medal or do you have self-imposed limits (e.g. nothing after 1950)?

I know the questions were not directed at me but will give my responses anyway.....

My newest medal was just received today, a 2016 Ticino 50Fr Swiss Shooting Festival. I have been collecting the "modern" Swiss shooting talers from the year 1984 until present. Because I started with them in NGC PF70UC holders, I have decided to continue with the same holders. Still need 1989, 1992, 1998, 2001 and 2007, if anyone out there has one available.

I collect Swiss shooting medals from any period although I do prefer the pre-1930's as I feel that the themes, detail and artwork were best during the mid-1800's to 1920's. I try to find medals in the very best conditions as I intend to have some of the rarer ones certified but will accept RR or RRR medals in lesser grades. My favorite canton for medals at this time is Ticino.

Also collect the vintage Swiss shooting talers, but that is a much tougher go as competition for gem pieces is very tough.

Good Luck Hunting!

 

Thank you for the compliment. I consider my Father to be one of the most accomplished collectors of schützenfest medals of this period. He has been collecting for 50+ years compared to my 30+ years. It used to be a rather obscure hobby but we are both glad to see the increase in popularity in the last 10 or so years! Richter's catalog has been part of the catalyst.

So you are both named Rod? Does this cause any confusion since you are both collectors of Swiss shooting medals?

Do you often compete with your Dad for medals out there? If and when he finds a better example of a medal that he already owns, does the replaced medal find it way down to you, and vice versa?

You are so lucky to have the same hobby as your Dad.

 

1897 Lichtensteig, canton St. Gallen

R1170b / M570

Cantonal Shoot

BR

33 mm

Mintage: 42 pieces

Engraver: J. Stauffacher / Paul Ströhlin & Co, Geneve

RRR

 

 

First one I have ever seen. Beautiful!

 

1894 Iseo, canton Ticino

R1458a / M852

4th Cantonal shoot of Ticino

AR

39 mm

Engraver: Huguenin, Le Locle

R

I posted another R1458a here previously, this example has different patina.

 

 

Rod,

Ticino is one of my favorite Cantons for the beauty of their designs for their medals. Wish I could photograph like you!

Tim

You both bring up great points. I forgot there is that other thread - I'd love to see more contributions towards it. I also love seeing the broad reach of the Swiss culture, too. Very cool.

Hi,

I was lucky enough to pick up this shooting medal recently. "Tiro Suizo Mendoza, 1. de Agosta 1898" in 28mm bronze. Not listed in Richter nor can I find any other medal listed for Mendoza, Argentina.

Hi,

Anybody know when the Richter updates on Swiss Shootiing Medals values is coming out? It has been ten years since his original bible on the medals has been out and surely there has been changes and corrections to rarities and values as well as new found issues. Also, my original Richter edition is falling apart due to overuse.

As mentioned before, your Dad is a fine man who helped me when I was starting out in this field about 10 years ago. He is fair and honest and has always had time to help me out with any questions that I had. You are very lucky to have such a role model.

Wish I could photograph as well as some of the other forum members here. I can't so I will use the seller's pics in asking for additional information on this shooting medal that was just received.

 

R2091(sim).jpg

 

This medal is identical to the one in Richter's book as R2091 but instead of being 39mm bronze, it is in 29mm silver with a loop. Richter calls his medal very rare (RR) with connections to Argentina. Does anyone have additional information on this medal and also the association of Swiss shooting with Argentina?

 

Thanks and sorry for the quality of the pic.

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Reply-

 

There are many Swiss medals that are not in Richter's catalog. His catalog covers as much as he could find through sources such as auctions, museums, collections etc. The fact that you have the silver counter-part of the bronze piece is not surprising and the fact that it is 29 instead of 39 is somewhat typical, since occasionally a silver medal is smaller than the bronze for obvious reasons. If Richter is aware of a medal but was unable to obtain a picture then he usually stated such.

 

I have a few Argentine medals that are not in Richter's book that are specifically Swiss or from a Swiss enclave thus the "Sociedad de Suizo" Although I have no specific data in the case of this medal, I would certainly classify it as RR, the same as the bronze although there are times that the bronze example of a medal is more rare than the silver. But due to the fact that Richter does not list the silver one, and although I have seen a couple over the years, I would consider it RR. The last one had a chance to purchase was not in decent enough condition to consider.

 

I hope my explanation helps somewhat...

Thanks! All this information helps immensely.

As if looking for Swiss shooting medals from Switzerland isn't enough, I have also been interested in Swiss shooting medals from other countries. Of the ones I have been seeing from South America and the Philippines, the general condition of the medals are often average at best. Must be a result of the humid conditions and lack of proper storage in those areas of the world.

When you do come across Swiss shooting medals that are not in Richter's book, do you send pics to his attention so he can possibly include it in his updated book or do you think he's pretty much aware of everything out there?

Wish I could photograph as well as some of the other forum members here. I can't so I will use the seller's pics in asking for additional information on this shooting medal that was just received.

This medal is identical to the one in Richter's book as R2091 but instead of being 39mm bronze, it is in 29mm silver with a loop. Richter calls his medal very rare (RR) with connections to Argentina. Does anyone have additional information on this medal and also the association of Swiss shooting with Argentina?

Thanks and sorry for the quality of the pic.

Hi Swiss Shooting Medal Collectors,

Is it just me or is it getting very difficult to find the scarcer issues of Swiss shooting medals? I've been very fortunate in being able to add to my collection periodically since 2005 but for the last year or so, things have dried up considerably. Even major Swiss dealers overseas have had trouble stocking anything other than the most common of issues and prospects are even getting slim with foreign auctions.

And speaking of common issues, there are many people out there paying some very high prices for these, even in average condition. Also, the slabbed ones have extremely high asking prices on eBay. I am sure that most aren't selling at those prices but some actually do! Are the values really getting that high? It will be interesting if and when Richter comes out with either a current value sheet or newer volume of his book.

Thanks, it is a pleasurable hobby.

How about showing us more shooting medals for the new year?

There have been some health issues with my Mother so my Dad has been on a hiatus for several months. I have had some turmoil in my professional life that has precluded me from doing the auctions. Once my Mom is better and all is back to normal and once I get a new web site (Geocities is gone as of end of October) I will commence once again. I may concentrate on eBay but I don't really like giving them as much money as they want especially when the customer base in somewhat limited. Auctions are not the best venue in my opinion and I believe the next venture will be strictly sales. But none if this is written in stone.

Rod,

I hope for your Mother's speedy recovery and your Dad's return to the hobby in which he is such an important icon.

As someone who has had the pleasure of speaking several times with your dad about Swiss Shooting Medals and whose collection has grown quite a bit with his help, I look forward to his return.

Tim

TTM5 - I certified about two dozen of my better Schutzenfest medals recently and the grades that NGC assigned were very close to what I thought were correct. A few came back as AU58 that I felt were MS61-MS62, while others did far better than I imagined.

 

Overall I was happy with the results. And I'm glad I didn't certify them all because I don't want them all encased in plastic.

Hiho,

How did you determine which medals to certify and which to leave alone? While I am leaning towards leaving all my medals alone, I can see an advantage slabbing the more expensive ones to protect them.

Hi All You Swiss Shooting Medal Collectors!

I am new to the forum but have been collecting SSMs and shooting thalers for about five years.

My question to the forum is:

What do you think about the slabbing of Swiss Shooting Medals? I see that NGC is doing that currently but not sure how they arrived at their grading standards. I am sure that slabbing will eventually add value and a wider acceptance of the collecting of the medals but I sure like to be able to see and hold them without the plastic in the way.

Has anyone had their Swiss Shooting Medals slabbed by NGC? And if so, how was the grade you received compared to what you had anticipated?