coinmonster Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Excellent!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bobbycoin Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Classic! I love it! Great job El... Like Henare said I wouldnt have been so kind. As soon as I read what was going on my nerd instinct kicked in and was suprised that this has not come up in the thread here. This wont help with people stealing the images but you can stop them from stealing your bandwith. Here is an article on how to prevent Hotlinking. You can block all domains other then yours from hotlinking or you can block specific ones (ie Ebay). You can even redirect hotlinks to another image (ie an image explaining not to hotlink from your site... nicely or not ) Hope that helps, -Bobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiffibunny Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 You can even redirect hotlinks to another image (ie an image explaining not to hotlink from your site... nicely or not ) Hope that helps, -Bobby Oh yes we had some nasty problems with one of those in the asylum once. I bet Stu remembers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu62 Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 I've used pictures of coins I,ve bought on E-bay.Since I now own the coins is it alright to use the picture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 I've used pictures of coins I,ve bought on E-bay.Since I now own the coins is it alright to use the picture? Technically (and legally), the images belong to the photographer. I would suspect that many sellers would allow you to use the images, but you bought the coin, not the photograph. Asking is a common courtesy. When you post to the web, you are sharing information. You want others to link to your page (not "steal" an image by linking to it as if it were their work) because you have mounted your page to share information. You want people to consult it and you want the credit for your work. If you are selling access to your site as a commercial venture, then you want to control the links to your site. I don't have any qualms about "borrowing" material that I compile and print for my own records and research notes. If I want to publish it, distribute it, sell it, or otherwise pass it off as my own work, I've crossed the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlueke Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Technically (and legally), the images belong to the photographer. I would suspect that many sellers would allow you to use the images, but you bought the coin, not the photograph. Asking is a common courtesy. I agree one should always ask, but I don't think this is settled law. It came up in one of the other forums before, but there are different ways of interpreting images of coins. Since the designs are copyrighted by others or in the public domain does an online image constitute a new work? I've never seen a definitive case in law where that is so. It seems more like you'd take your chances in a civil suit. Sometime soon I'm gong to take all of my coin images put them on CD and try to get a registered copyright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elverno Posted February 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 My general policy is that my images are there to be shared provided appropriate credit is given. However, when someone uses the image(s) to sell an item I believe it is a fraud; the image is not the item being sold and in the case of coins and medals, condition and originality (in the sense of being a re-strike or not) are particularly important. In this case I wasn't asked if I wanted to provide my server and bandwidth to help the seller sell his similar medal so I have no problem with putting my own text up. Someone suggested in another forum that I might want to put porn there (tongue in cheek suggestion) but of course then *I* would be putting porn on my website... Of course I could have put clown pictures or something else up. Usually these guys are smart enugh to copy the pictures and put them on a different server. My pictures are easy to spot, time period and the all black background is a giveaway. I think the comments about this being an unsettled point of law are really to the point. In an age where the internet spans national boundaries (and laws) the lack of international treaties concerning copyright on the net inevitably means that your images are up for grabs. For that reason I usually only say something when they are used for commercial purposes. The rest is really beyond my control and frankly not worth the effort. If someone links to one of my pages from their personal website the bandwidth usage is neglible compared to a link from eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ageka Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 There is an english vendor who objected against a german forum guy using his pictures to demonstrate what coins looked like in order to instruct novices to collecting The complaint is based on intellectual property laws ( time and energy the paid photographer put into making pictures of the coins I guess ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlueke Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 My general policy is that my images are there to be shared provided appropriate credit is given. However, when someone uses the image(s) to sell an item I believe it is a fraud; the image is not the item being sold and in the case of coins and medals, condition and originality (in the sense of being a re-strike or not) are particularly important. In this case I wasn't asked if I wanted to provide my server and bandwidth to help the seller sell his similar medal so I have no problem with putting my own text up. Someone suggested in another forum that I might want to put porn there (tongue in cheek suggestion) but of course then *I* would be putting porn on my website... Of course I could have put clown pictures or something else up. Usually these guys are smart enugh to copy the pictures and put them on a different server. My pictures are easy to spot, time period and the all black background is a giveaway. I think your case is a little more cut and dried especially from Ebay's point of view. The guy is misrepresenting what he is selling since he can't be selling the item you own. The same for using your bandwidth and server resources. It's the copyright part that I believe is unsettled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlueke Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 There is an english vendor who objected against a german forum guy using his pictures to demonstrate what coins looked like in order to instruct novices to collecting The complaint is based on intellectual property laws ( time and energy the paid photographer put into making pictures of the coins I guess ) Did it go to court? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundinrolls Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Hi, I might be tempted to change the image altogether on this guy. I'd save my image under a different name and then link him to a picture of the southbound end of a northbound horse. There has to be a way to stop this kind of thing. Have Fun, Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Since the designs are copyrighted by others or in the public domain does an online image constitute a new work? I've never seen a definitive case in law where that is so. It seems more like you'd take your chances in a civil suit. I'm not an attorney, so my opinion is just that, opinion. But, my understanding of the copyright law is based on my experience as a photographer and an archaeologist specializing in prehistoric art. If I photograph a coin or a work of prehistoric art, my photograph is protected by copyright. If I draw a picture of the coin or of a prehistoric art painting, my drawing is protected by copyright. If someone else makes a photograph that looks like mine, I don't have a copyright that prevents them from doing so. I don't want to get into issues of a photgrapher's style or esoteric variations on this theme. If I photograph a Jefferson nickel design, my photograph is mine. If you photograph the same nickel using the same light, its your photograph. If you draw a picture of the design from my photograph, how am I to prove you didn't copy my original or an actual nickel. In otherwords, I can copyright my photograph, I can't copyright the design or the right to reproduce the design using another image. If you steal my image of a 1964 Jefferson nickel, I probably can't prove its my image in the absence of something uniquely identifying it as mine. If you steal my image of my 1933 $20 gold piece, I can probably prove that its my image because you wouldn't have access to the coin until the Treasury siezed it from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elverno Posted February 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 I've set the regular pictures back up on my site but left him with the altered version now that the auction is finished... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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