philcarver Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Hey everybody,I found something very unusual.I really don't know what it is.I think it might be a coin die from the Henry IV rule.You can't see the lettering in the photo but it says Henricus IV.Can anybody give me a clue? It's listed in my album as HenryIV, the first two pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuldFartte Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Cool little thing !!! I'd guess a more modern die, perhaps for a comemmorative coin or medal concerning Henry IV ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDJMSP Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 I don't think it's a die or it wouldn't be that thin. Are the devices incuse or raised ? They appear to be raised in the pics, but sometimes it's hard to tell. The legends do appear to be backwards as they would on a die so I can understand that thinking. It's the rest of it I'm having trouble with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philcarver Posted December 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 The portrait is incuse also.There is a different picture in my album that shows it more original and not enhanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philcarver Posted December 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Sorry for the slow response ,I went to bed early last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philcarver Posted December 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 These may help,I can't upload the picture,but the first pic in my gallery is an original photo.Not enhanced.Thanx for the help.It seems to have writing on the crown and the designers intials at the top.I haven't received the item yet ,so I'm going on the photo's supplied by the seller.She said she bought it from a collectors estate in north eastern U.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDJMSP Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 There's not much more I can offer in the way of help. If the devices are incuse then it is obviously something made for the purpose of making coins. But it's not an original die - that I would bet on. Dies at that time were rather large, not thin pieces of metal. Perhaps when you get the item in hand you can tell us more and offer better pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conder101 Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 A hub trial perhaps? But I seriously doubt if it is from the time of Henry IV. I think it is a much more modern piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlueke Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Since it is veriled it's fair to assume that it s a posthunous piece. The challenege will be finding put how posthumous... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philcarver Posted December 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Well I have it in hand.It's composition reminds me of lava rock.It is not metal.It is very lite and nonmagnetic.I can see traces of a substance In the incuse portrait area that are like wax and are red.It appears to be an exact likeness from the mysterious portrait of Henry IV since it shows the broach he wore on his head scarf in that portrait.The letters on the right side read( HENRICUS-IV-D-G-ANG).On the left side reads(FR-ET-IMB-REX).On the crown are the numerals IXI.Is it possible that this could be a Royal Seal,hence the red colored waxy substance?I will try to give you a better scan,but here is the portait of henry I am referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philcarver Posted December 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Hi Tiffy ,what do you think of this unknown item.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiffibunny Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 I'm not anywhere near an expert on dies and that sort of thing. You mentioned there was possibly wax in it? I would guess a seal of some sort as well. Does it have anything on the reverse that might suggest there was a handle or anything attached to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philcarver Posted December 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 It does not show signs of anything being attached at anitime,but most medeival seals were on cords or strings.the movies showed seals as being massive stamps.The reverse side seems to be of a fibrous metal.I do believe it is metal and not stone.Could be meteorite?It has the same composition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiffibunny Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Where did you get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiffibunny Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Only thing I could find quickly on a seal made from a meteorite is this... http://www.potalaworld.com/catalog/life/2-05seal1.html So it seems entirely possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDJMSP Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 How big is this thing - in diameter ? Based on your description now that you have it in hand - perhaps it was a ring seal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotten Rodney Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 Could it be a fantasy coin? Example: http://www.shirepost.com/FrenchArkansas.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philcarver Posted December 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 It's 1 and a half inches in diameter.It's about a quarter inch in thickness.I would think if it was a fantasy coin it wouldn't have the letters in mirror image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 It looks to me like it's for casting coins. Have you sent a picture to a mint or someplace like that for some help in ID-ing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philcarver Posted December 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 The lady I bought it from said she bought it from the estate sale of a well known antique collector in her area.She lives in Beverly ,Maryland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philcarver Posted December 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 The metal in it is too brittle and lite density to hammer coins for sure.I'm thinking that it was some kind of royal seal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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