sigistenz Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 He'd got women - he'd got women - on his mind..... http://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=1640&category=34228&lot=1473082 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Certainly an interesting composition. Is Dr Freud taking new patients? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 I like it! Not easy to find pictures that show clear overstrikes especially silver coinage. Can you imagine what it was like back in those days when people received such coinage in circulation... 1 ruble must have been worth a fair amount of money back then. This is the original host coin if anyone is interested: http://www.coinfactswiki.com/wiki/Silesia-Liegnitz-Brieg_1657-EW_thaler_Dav-7731 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Just purperfect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Anyone here can translate from spanish? Auto translation produced this disturbing bit: "They were minted on other European currencies hard type. In general it is impossible to distinguish the characteristics of the base currency. The failure to recognize the original coinage, makes this piece a very rare copy" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 This is the original host coin if anyone is interested: http://www.coinfactswiki.com/wiki/Silesia-Liegnitz-Brieg_1657-EW_thaler_Dav-7731 So it's not a girl after all, but presumably Ludovicus. If I were a Russian buyer, I would be careful with this coin. Having boys on once mind, might be considered propaganda to minors these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 LOL, there aren't many minors collecting this types of coins... I like Luie more, than the Euro-vision's bearded "chick"... He almost managed to fool me! Oh, my - oh, my... I tell my kids for a lough... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 The edge looks worked, or something on these photos. Not normal to either a thaler or a rouble. At best, piece of jewelry in the past... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted November 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Anyone here can translate from spanish? Auto translation produced this disturbing bit: "They were minted on other European currencies hard type. In general it is impossible to distinguish the characteristics of the base currency. The failure to recognize the original coinage, makes this piece a very rare copy" Struck over a taler of Silesia... Cleaned. The first rubles (1704 and 1705) were struck over other coins of the taler type. Normally it is impossible to distinguish details of the host coin. Identification of the host coin makes this piece extremely rare. Sigi . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMIS Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 This freak should be awarded as bonus to the lucky winner of the Siberian 1764 2 kopeck coin. They will make a lovely pair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 BKB - I think this may have been cut at the mint to match the size of the ruble. I don't think it's an ex-jewellery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 If I got it as a bonus, I'd keep it... It's too cute... Can not comment on the edge... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Struck over a taler of Silesia... Cleaned. The first rubles (1704 and 1705) were struck over other coins of the taler type. Normally it is impossible to distinguish details of the host coin. Identification of the host coin makes this piece extremely rare. Sigi . Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 BKB - I think this may have been cut at the mint to match the size of the ruble. I don't think it's an ex-jewellery. Highly unlikely (I have never seen anything like that done at the mint). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 BKB - I still think it's a possibility with all due respect. That said, has anyone saved a photo of a grivennik overstruck over a larger coin (and then cut) that was discussed a few years ago? I forgot to save it... http://www.coinpeople.com/index.php/topic/20187-1755-grivennik-overstruck-on/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 BKB - I still think it's a possibility with all due respect. That said, has anyone saved a photo of a grivennik overstruck over a larger coin (and then cut) that was discussed a few years ago? I forgot to save it... http://www.coinpeople.com/index.php/topic/20187-1755-grivennik-overstruck-on/ There is a judge in NY who once told me, that the words "with all due respect" mean F*** you :-) Anything in this life is possible. Some things are not very probable, though... Can you show any examples where a coin's edge was filed round at a Russian mint after the coin was struck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 There is a judge in NY who once told me, that the words "with all due respect" mean F*** you :-) Anything in this life is possible. Some things are not very probable, though... Can you show any examples where a coin's edge was filed round at a Russian mint after the coin was struck? I hope that you know that I am not that very judge that told you that. That said, the only other example that I can think of is that overstruck 1755 grivennik that was discussed some time ago. I'm hoping someone here saved that photo because it was quite spectacular. I thought I did but I had to replace my computer some time ago and can't find them since then. I did up a quick overlaying of the ruble against the host coin. It seems that some details don't match - maybe there are other varieties of this particular coin. What I have tried to do is to align circle that is in between the text and the main feature as well as aligning the hair. I reckon the host coin is cut down to 85% of it's original size. File is about 3mb large. http://gxseries.com/dump/1704_1r_thaler.gif Would like Steve's opinion when he gets around to seeing this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Yes...I'd agree the undercoin definitely looks like a different die to that in the comparison Thaler. Nice overlay gif! Cheers, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 I reckon the host coin is cut down to 85% of it's original size. Which is, at least, strange, unless there was a multiple thaler for that type (1.5t) and it was used. Otherwise, the weight should be around 28 grams for both coins... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Here are all the pic in one place. I compared the size/outlines of the face and hear-do. It looks like the picture was turned the other way (as I did in the middle pic), so it is safe to assume that it was a different type of the taler used, and possibly with a larger picture, what would remove the need of cutting down the taler before it was used for the rouble... As I said, this is not my cap of tea, so I may be mistaken. Just my few kopecks to add to this conversation... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMIS Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 LOL, there aren't many minors collecting this types of coins... I like Luie more, than the Euro-vision's bearded "chick"... He almost managed to fool me! Oh, my - oh, my... I tell my kids for a lough... Do not underestimate the power of bearded chicks over the weak minded. Legend has it that Artemiy Volinsky was able to buy his way out of corruption allegations by presenting Anna Ioanovna with a bearded chick. If I got it as a bonus, I'd keep it... It's too cute... Can not comment on the edge... To qualify for the bonus, you need to firmly establish yourself in the fields of greed and gullibility first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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