gxseries Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 This coin has sparked an interest when I first saw it. While Swedish counterfeits of such 5 kopek are known and are quite rare, this brings counterfeit to a new level. Presenting a copper plated lead 5 kopek. Yes, this is copper plated lead. If you ask me, an original coin of 1796 AM 5 kopek is not terribly rare. Details are relatively good despite it's condition. While 5 kopek coins were common back then, this was still worth a fair amount of money. Therefore I believe this is a contemporary counterfeit that circulated back then. I could be wrong and this may be part of a more modern counterfeit. What do you reckon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 A very strange item Could you show the edge, please? Sigi - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 I wonder how they plated it with copper... Electroplated, or dipped into melted copper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 could be copper paint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted August 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Details wise, this actually looks very good. I have taken some photos to compare against. I just happened to have the same type and mint by coincedence even though I am not a big fan of this type of coinage.You can see where the plating clearlyEdge of the traces of copperCouldn't take a good photo of the lead side however it's almost smoothThe weight of this coin is at 53.80g which is actually within tolerance level of this type of coin. I cannot help wondering if this was actually struck at the mint considering how good the detail is. But again, I don't know of any lead examples. On the other hand, I wonder how easy it was to get lead in such planchet and then copper plate it to make some money out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art1.2 Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Very interesting. I wonder about the origins of the lead piece too. Contemporary or modern. Is there sufficient market and pricing to justify modern counterfeits with actual copper plating? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 These came to our town in Ukraine around 92. All kinds. Some of these, some 1725 5 cop, or about... Better quality than this. Disappeared very quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottishmoney Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 These came to our town in Ukraine around 92. All kinds. Some of these, some 1725 5 cop, or about... Better quality than this. Disappeared very quickly. There are people maybe in Russia still making these coins, fakes of the Konstantin ruble etc. I purchased some in Ukraine for very little money as educational pieces. I was surprised when I purchased them, seller could detect I was a foreigner from my accented Russian - and told me they are not real coins! Other times in Russia when I knew coins were obvious fakes the seller would insist they were real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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