extant4cell Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 That can always be corrected with autocorrect options in image-viewer, and details come out better. But it comes down to how you like it personaly, I guess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 Thank you for the photo tips. I will keep them in mind while trying to make a better photo of 1763 coin. Probably over the weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 Most of my pictures are scans. A scan with open scanner lid provides a black background. It is worth a try. Sigi  .   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 OK, picture updated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted June 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 These are fantastically RARE coins, I'm glad you showed us these photos. Many Thanks! Â P.S. I was hoping that we would see such treasures in this thread, I hope other collectors will show us their best and favorite coins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Â It is an overstrike, very powerful, merely visible. Note the 1762 star in the scroll. Sigi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Â It is an overstrike, very powerful, merely visible. Note the 1762 star in the scroll. Sigi So, this was overstruck with Dies from Elizabeth, and the 3 is an overdate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted June 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 So, this was overstruck with Dies from Elizabeth, and the 3 is an overdate? Â I don't think so, this is a classic Moscow mint die used for the overstriking of the 1762 10 kopecks. On Elizabeth's 5 coins from the Moscow mint there was a mint mark - MM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Right. The coin was struck over a 10kop1762 of which that one star is still visible. Sigi  . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Moscow mint eagles had this form in Elizabeth times too, didn't they? Could be a use of old dies from her coins... I see it as possible... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Moscow mint eagles had this form in Elizabeth times too, didn't they? Could be a use of old dies from her coins... I see it as possible... This is my point. Old Elizabeth dies, no mm, 1762/3 date, struck on 1762 10K of Peter III. Sigi, can you provide an enlarged date as well, from your image? Â Â edit: Bitkin catalogs 1763 no mintmark (R3) under Ekaterinaberg Mint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Hi Josh, this is Igor's coin, not mine and the image was Igor's, too. I already felt uneasy about doing the close up to reveal the star. As 1763 was the first date with Catherine's cipher it is unlikely to find a 1763/2 overdate. Of course with Russian coins you never know. But Igor's coin does not look like an overdate, either. Sigi  . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Sigi, You can do with the coin image as you wish. No worries there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Thanks Sigi and Igor. Yes, with the new cipher, an overdate would not be logical. 3 looked a bit unusual. I know elements were mixed and matched, so as you point out, Sigi, with Russian coins you never know. Â still wondering why this no mm type is so seldom seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Not many dies pair got mixed up with the old ones to start with? Or, may be at the very early stage a lot of Elizaveta time dies were used, but with EM introduced to the dies. Only handful didn't get EM punched on them before they went into production, and it was an error that soon enough was corrected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Sigi, You can do with the coin image as you wish. No worries there.  Sigi, You can do with the coin image as you wish. No worries there.   Thank you Igor Here is a close up of the date. No trace of an overdate IMHO. Sigi  . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Thanks, Sigi. perhaps some element of the overstruck coin there, but no overdate. Â Great coin Igor, as are the rest of your "keepers"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted June 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 This is my point. Old Elizabeth dies, no mm, 1762/3 date, struck on 1762 10K of Peter III. Sigi, can you provide an enlarged date as well, from your image? Â Â edit: Bitkin catalogs 1763 no mintmark (R3) under Ekaterinaberg Mint Bitkin was mistaken. Compare the eagle on Igor's coin with the MM and EM coins of the same period: Â I am using Sigi's collection to illustrate (fair use principle!): Â As you can see the eagle on the 1763 no m/m is clearly of the type used at the Moscow Mint. Â On the other hand the 1765 no m/m is from Ekaterinburgh: Â As such I do not believe that the Elizabeth die's could have been used to produce Igor's coin as those would have had the MM mint mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 I must agree with you Alex, as I completely forgot, to my shame, that Elizabeth MM mint coins actually had MM under the eagles. That Igor's coin is MM mint I noticed right away, as I am well aware of the eagle shapes now, but I got accustomed to look at the eagles, missing the rest of the coin sometimes. It seems that this coin die for averse was not completed with MMs under eagle, when it was prepared. But WHEN exactly it was prepared is unknown, it could have been prepared for the Elizabeth's coins, and kept in reserve on a shelf, as 180 . 5 kopeks dies later, and were taken off the shelf to be used on Ekaterina's coins, while they forgot to add MM to it. Mistake that was probably corrected very quickly on both occasions in 1763 at MM mint and in 1765 at EM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Just won this one -- haven't had a chance to upgrade this year in a long time (50 kopecks, 1896-*): Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted June 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Hard to find these in such grade! What did the one being replaced looked like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedeadpoint Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Sharp! When will you get it in hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsmike Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Hi all, Â I just received a very unusual overstrike that I had not seen before, pictures attached. How rare is this? It can't be common or I would have seen one before. But I haven't really been looking. Â --mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Something is very wrong with the overstruck coin mars. I'm certain it's meant to be a polushka overstruck over an older polushka but the details of it is just very wrong. Â Â My best guess is that it's a contemporary counterfeit. That said, it's pretty intriguing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted June 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Something is very wrong with the overstruck coin mars. I'm certain it's meant to be a polushka overstruck over an older polushka but the details of it is just very wrong. Â Â My best guess is that it's a contemporary counterfeit. That said, it's pretty intriguing. Â Polushka should have the rope edge. This coin has net edge, so the original was a denga. My guess is a kopeck made out of a denga, which would make sense for a contemporary counterfeiter as you said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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