sigistenz Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Our forum member Timofei posted about copies/fakes of the 1916 iron 1,2,3 kopek OBERBEFEHLSHABER OST. The Belorussian producer offers also Siberian coins - enough for all of us Enjoy, Sigi http://shtampovka.by/nashi-raboti/ - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottishmoney Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Looks like you can get errors too When I have seen this stuff for sale, sellers always insisted that it was a fake - because I have an accent they know I am foreigner - so maybe they think perhaps I think they are real? Anyway I have bought some as samples for 30-35 hryven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freak Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 they would be very nice to have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art1.2 Posted August 11, 2013 Report Share Posted August 11, 2013 I know several folks who have made nice collections of "replica" pieces simply because they enjoy the designs and it allows them to hold "coins" that they could not afford or justify the purchase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted August 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 I know several folks who have made nice collections of "replica" pieces simply because they enjoy the designs and it allows them to hold "coins" that they could not afford or justify the purchase. The point is that fakes/copies are being officially slabbed (= declared genuine) by grading companies I refer to Timofei's posting. Sigi - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freak Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 That would be a bummer, to buy a slabbed coin that was a fake, couldn't even check the edge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 The point is that fakes/copies are being officially slabbed (= declared genuine) by grading companies I refer to Timofei's posting. Sigi - I think that there's a moral in there somewhere concerning the alleged expertise of the slabbers and the purported wisdom of relying upon it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freak Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 save the money for more coin? Only trust your own eyes? If your not qualidied to judge the coin yourself, leave it alone? Stick to what you know, or seek help from other cillectors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art1.2 Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 The point is that fakes/copies are being officially slabbed (= declared genuine) by grading companies I refer to Timofei's posting. Sigi - I must have missed that in the posting that I reviewed. While I'm sure that fakes are slabbed as genuine, I'm not aware how prevalent that is. I'm sure the slabbing companies would want it kept quiet but I'd think that the "criminal justice system" would be all over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted August 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 I must have missed that in the posting that I reviewed. While I'm sure that fakes are slabbed as genuine, I'm not aware how prevalent that is. I'm sure the slabbing companies would want it kept quiet but I'd think that the "criminal justice system" would be all over it. For Timofei's posting on the slabbed fakes - see link below Sigi http://www.coinpeople.com/index.php/topic/34338-occupation-ost-iron-123-kopecks-1916-pcgs-beware-of-fakes/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 It is a legitimate business of making copies, as they present themselves. They must be made to stamp every coin with "copy" stamp... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 It is a legitimate business of making copies, as they present themselves. They must be make to stamp every coin with "copy" stamp... I looked at the pictures but was unable to see even one coin with a Cyrillic "N" (looks like "H" in Latin letters), or the word "copy" to indicate that these fakes are not original coins. Perhaps someone else will be able to see what I do not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 save the money for more coin? Only trust your own eyes? If your not qualidied to judge the coin yourself, leave it alone? Stick to what you know, or seek help from other cillectors? I'm not sure what is so hysterically funny. I would certainly be far more impressed by what a specialist collector who has carefully studied the coins for years says about the authenticity of a given coin than I would be by some slabber who knows nothing about them. Of course, that's just my bias and there are many, many more people out there who blindly believe in the God-like abilities of slabbers to make such determinations about coins they have neither collected nor studied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 I looked at the pictures but was unable to see even one coin with a Cyrillic "N" (looks like "H" in Latin letters), or the word "copy" to indicate that these fakes are not original coins. Perhaps someone else will be able to see what I do not. They are making fakes saying that they make copies. It's a cover up, no doubt. I don't believe Belarus will do anything to stop them. If someone will go as far as legal actions against them spending time and money just to prove the point, the may be made to place "copy" on the coin, as practiced by good copy makers. Placing "N/H" is still somewhat decieving, as we know, as it implies that coin is a "novodel" to some naive soles... I'd still like to see one of these "copies" - back and front and side, to see how well they made them... I don't believe they cannot be distinguished from real thing as the technology for die pressing and for cutting and edging the coins is different... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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