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3 Kopecks 1917 on Stacks. What is your opinion?


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could be an alteration. But, could be those fake dies made from 07 and then changed to press this thing. Stupid grading services that slab fakes, but won't give a grade to an original that has "excessive hairlines" Wonder if someone buys it... Will be another "lucky" guy.

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Nice fake, if you can say that about fake. I don't like the stars. Other than that, just by looking at the pictures, I can not find much difference from the real coins of other years, so I guess I would be fooled by it. Edge examination is a must in these coins. You can not do this in slabbed coins, unless a special slab is used. I wouldn't risk anything over $100.

 

It looks different from the common fakes:

 

 

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if you read carefully the whole thread there (sister forum), they have a proof that this is a fake

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EugeneG, thank you for the link!

 

This picture, to compare coin in question to 3 k from Kazakov had a different effect on me:

 

 

 

It actually showed me that my original suspicion based on star shapes is not substantiated. They do look the same.

 

Due to toning and light / photo effect, the 7-s look somewhat different, but, again, I would not draw the line, and would

blame that very unprofessional toning and light combination for ambiguous look. One should examine it "live" before

passing a final judgement.

 

To see a picture of "matochnik" was a nice touch:

 

 

 

Resume: it's very possible that coin in the slab is original. The opposite statement may be true as well.

It still needs proper expert opinion of a "live" coin, not just multiple judgements of pictures...

As I mentioned before, I, for one, would be fooled, just using pictures.

 

IgorS, you'll need to bring a good magnifying glass to Chicago next month. Hold my breath until than...

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I don't think it is necessary. It is obviously not what the auction's catalog says.

I second your opinion. We have 2 pictures of 2 different original dies that are kept in the Hermitage museum and St Petersburg mint museum plus the image of the Kazakov catalogue coin.

 

Stack's coin does not match.

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attachicon.gif3 K stars 1916-1917.jpg

 

Which two look more alike (from top to bottom)?

 

The first and third images look very similar (stars), but the third is slightly rotated (0.5 ~ 1.0 degree) with respect to the first. I would say that the second image is very different than either the 1st or 3rd.

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7 may be a bingo, but the coin is not a re-cut from 1916 as some implied... and examining the stars a little closer tells me that the coin is not from 1917 design, but also, not very likely that it's from 1916 coins...

1907? Would be a very logical step -- everyone immediately examines the 7, forgetting about 1...

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