ultra Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 Hello,I'm new to the forum, I am from Poland, 26 y.o. I love Polish coins, especially from the period of Russian rule (XIX century) and recently coinage of Russian Tzars. I love the idea of this forum, pretty big space for Russia. Here is one of my latest treasures. This is maybe a quite common example among of Peter II's roubles, but there are two interesting details about this coin. Opened "O" letter, and unusual (?correct me if I'm wrong) three figures above the eagle on Tzar's chest. Please take a look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 Welcome Ultra! I had a quick look, and don't seam to be able to find a similar rouble in here: http://www.m-dv.ru/catalog/id,331/prohod.html which is most strange, if your rouble is original. I may have missed it, so take another look. I am also puzzled by shoulder straps, it looks like it is only 4.5 of them. Usually they are shown in full, even if reduced in size. Where did you get this rouble and how much did you pay for it, may I ask. Silver surface is also very clean, which is a little suspicious, apart from O die crumbling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultra Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 I bought it from a private seller for few hundred Euros, he said it was in his family for a very long time, lying untouched. Well it looks OK to me, and it was shown to other people who specialize in XVIII century who said it was OK (they also said that technically opened "O" letter isn't anything unusual as all the letters were separately hand made on dies). Here you have URL to an old polish auction house, with 1728 Rouble records: http://wcn.pl/archive?q=1728+rubel There seem to be quite matching obverse sides ("4,5 shoulder straps" and stars above eagle, etc.) and 100% matching for the reverse (the same die: http://wcn.pl/auctions/34/997 ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 Had a better look tonight and I think I may have found one very similar. Your rouble looks good I think. And it sounds like you got it for a good price. Congratulations! Here are a couple of examples of fakes that collectors need to be aware of: http://www.rnumis.com/rnumis_research_0.php?db_pgtyp=db_pgtyp_rf_single&rf_id=143 http://www.rnumis.com/rnumis_research_0.php?db_pgtyp=db_pgtyp_rf_single&rf_id=166 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultra Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 Here are a couple of examples of fakes that collectors need to be aware of: http://www.rnumis.com/rnumis_research_0.php?db_pgtyp=db_pgtyp_rf_single&rf_id=143 http://www.rnumis.com/rnumis_research_0.php?db_pgtyp=db_pgtyp_rf_single&rf_id=166 Yes, that kind of fakes can be often found on ebay. These are casts. extant4cell, yes! That's exactly the same type of coin that I have! May I know where did you find the pictures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 There are die strike fakes as well. Here where I found that rouble, and where you may find more similar coins I guess: http://www.m-dv.ru/catalog/id,334/prohod.html Here is the link to the rouble on the picture: http://www.m-dv.ru/monety-rossii-1700-1917/prohod,99373/coins,397/type,334/auction,18/date,2013-04-22/lot,309/images-prohod.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultra Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 Great site, thakns! Here is another nice coin of mine. It is pretty rare in such condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsraghead Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 thanks for the explanation extant. very nice coins ultra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve D'Ippolito Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 I never really did all that well finding (Russo-)Polish material when I was collecting Russian Imperial but when I sold the collection I hung on to a few pieces. The edge lettering on the genuine 1913 Romanov Tercentenary ruble is pretty much the same as was seen even back into the 1890s (possibly back to 1886 when they started doing portraits). It's recognizably the same style as my very worn pocket piece from the Brussels mint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultra Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 1823/4 (overdated) rouble: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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