extant4cell Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 I bought this Denga I would love to hear your comments. It has green patina, somewhat worn out, but nice. And reasonable details. I'll keep it in collection: I looked for a similar coin as an example (? 7 leaves in the branch, interesting tail) and I found these three very unusual sales of the same coin!!! It was sold 3 times within 2 years, in 2009 twice and in 2010 once. The funny thing is that every time the price dropped up to $1000. Started from $4000, than $3000 and finished at $2233. Its condition was MS65 for the first 2 sales and XF for the last one. Here are the pictures (http://www.m-dv.ru/c...248/prohod.html): Looks like it flooded the market with itself, with people not realizing it was the same coin! Very lucky for the last buyers and unlucky for last two sellers. The luckiest guy was the first one who sold it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedeadpoint Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 Wow. Great detective work. That's hilarious! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 Your coin has 4 rows of feathers in the eagles tail, which makes it uncommon, but I see 11 leaves not 7? The Alexander auction IMHO does overgrade their wares. That's probably why the Gorny sale listed it as XF and the price dropped. Not sure what to make of the 2 Alexander sales, either the first or both were not legitimate would be my guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted February 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 Wow. Great detective work. That's hilarious! It is a strange way of making money! Your coin has 4 rows of feathers in the eagles tail, which makes it uncommon, but I see 11 leaves not 7? The Alexander auction IMHO does overgrade their wares. That's probably why the Gorny sale listed it as XF and the price dropped. Not sure what to make of the 2 Alexander sales, either the first or both were not legitimate would be my guess. 7 leaves on one side (including the top leaf)! :) if you count them all - it's 12 feathers actually ... Here is another photo of the same coin shared by CFN: http://coins.su/foru...ttach_id=308244 So, you believe that it wasn't just an investment that turned bad for someone, but someone tried to sell it and bought it back to register a high price in order to resell it again and this time to keep the money? With the first sale, it is actually possible I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted February 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 I have this one as well, what's your opinion on its date? and another question - can anyone point me to a picture of a Denga 1730 with small eagle, interesting to see what it looks like. Can not find it anywhere... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 I have this one as well, what's your opinion on its date? and another question - can anyone point me to a picture of a Denga 1730 with small eagle, interesting to see what it looks like. Can not find it anywhere... Can't see the date clearly, picture is small. I would guess 1734. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 7 leaves on one side (including the top leaf)! :) if you count them all - it's 12 feathers actually ... So how do you count the top leaf? Which side does it belong to? And when you say X leaves would that be on the outside or the inside of the branch? Why not just count all the leaves? For example: 7 leaves: 11 Leaves: 13 leaves: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted February 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 Can't see the date clearly, picture is small. I would guess 1734. My guess was 1736... any other guesses? So how do you count the top leaf? Which side does it belong to? And when you say X leaves would that be on the outside or the inside of the branch? Why not just count all the leaves? Agreed. Need to count all leaves. Top leaf is to be counted in. It makes the first coin having 12 leaves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted October 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 the coin at the start of the topic is 1735. Now I know... well, I knew that for a while... lol Here is another coin I a hoping to add soon to the collection of my 1730 dengas: http://staraya-moneta.ru/forum/messages/forum63/topic86448/message814527/?result=reply#message814527 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Nice one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted November 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Thank you Alex! Didn't add any coins to 1730 group for a while... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted August 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 Here is another denga 1730 that will join the collection soon. This one is with 2 rosettes (second one is instead of the bow). Just won it on Katz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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