halfdollar Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 What are your thoughts regarding this piece? https://www.numisbid...sid=418&lot=655 From the auction Rußland Nikolaus I. 1825 - 1855 Platin 3 Rubel 1839 St. Petersburg, Fr. 143, Sev. 630, GM 287. We have been able to document four specimens of this date and believe that the existence of other pieces is very unlikely. The following is a list of the known specimens in chronoligical order of their appearance. 1. Grand Duke George Michailovitsch, Corpus # 287 tres rare", plate XVIII Nr. 6. This piece has the "C" counterstamp of Emmerich Hutten-Cszapski between the eagles´ heads. It was missing from the 1939 Hess, Luzern catalog of the Grand Duke´s gold and platinum coins and is presumed to be in the Hermitage. 2. Count J.J. Tolstoi, Hess, Frankfurt auction March 1913, Lot 1623. This piece was part of a three piece 1839 proof set which was cataloged as purchased from the St. Petersburg Mint and the only set known. 3. Hermitage Duplicates Auction, Hess, Frankfurt, February 1931, Lot 1092. Described as VF and of Highest Rarity, pictured and obvisouly very worn. 4. Hess-Leu Auction Nr. 39, Luzern, Dezember 1968, Lot # 392. A three piece 1839 proof set of 3,6,12 rubles all with "AK" countermark on the edge. This was esimated at 40.000 Swiss Francs and sold for 61.000 Swiss Francs, an astronomical price for 1968. This specimen is the Count J.J. Tolstoi piece, the only specimen which is not countermarked or worn. As the finest specimen of the RAREST date it is arguably the ultimate platinum three ruble piece. With a mintage of only a few coins, this is certainly one of the rarest and most desireable russian coins. PF63" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 Doesn't seem to match the Tolstoi plate coin - at least on a first look. Markings and denticle patterns appear to be different, but who knows. Tolstoi is a 1913 photo, and this one is in a slab. I'd just do a very careful comparison and get provenance proof (if available) before paying any kind of big money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfdollar Posted February 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 Isn't this the same person (Count J.J. Tolstoi) on the coin pedigree translated to English the Leo Tolstoy that wrote the novel "War and Peace"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 No. Completely different people Count Ivan Ivanovich Tolstoy - 1858-1916 Count Lev Nikolayevich Tolstoy - 1828-1910 (author) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfdollar Posted February 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 Oh, ok brain fart.... lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARENUM Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Previous Lot 654 from sale looks like not authentic coin and countermark. I believe only 3 coins with trial countermark exist struck on coins of Catherine II and Alexander I . Two listed in Uzdenikov and Bitkin and third coins in article “Staraya Moneta" Journal from 1910-1912 currently unknown location. Rarenum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 1. strange company to be in... 2. strange auction to pick to sell this thing 3. what Steve said = I would stay away... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfdollar Posted February 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 I have no intentions on bidding on this one, just thought it was a neat coin. Also......I have no where near that amount of cash for it Neat old PCGS Regency Holder though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve D'Ippolito Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 I miss my platinum type set. My beat up and ugly 3 ruble remnant is still a cool thing to show people at shows though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 Let's see, starting price 250,000 euro. Hmmm, I will make sure I stay away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARENUM Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 Let's see, starting price 250,000 euro. Hmmm, I will make sure I stay away. It is funny “master” work for letter “Л” and “У” … and “small price” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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