STEVE MOULDING Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Came across this today in a 1932 auction catalog in my library. Supposedly an 1806 AT Double Abaz. I've never seen one before and Bitkin has it at R4. It was estimated at 100 Marks (a lot). I wonder if it sold? 1806 should be AK, so one possibility is an altered K. These pictures are from the Heidelberg Library as I haven't made a high resolution scan of my catalog yet...though I have looked at the image under a loupe. Seems OK. Any Georgian experts have an opinion? Or anyone have the Prices Realized for Ball Nachf. VIII? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RW Julian Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 It is likely a counterfeit, though above average. There is an 1807 AT Two Abazi that is false but was accepted as genuine by Giel-Ilyin in their 1904 reference; it is illustrated in the RNS Journal summer 2008, page 67. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted February 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Thanks Bob. Now I see that your 2008 Journal article references your JRNS73 7-pager devoted to the 1807-AT. I wasn't aware of that article and will now read it...certainly a lot of story with that coin! Are you aware of an 1806-AT mentioned anywhere else? Also, I have to wonder what is the basis for Bitkin's R4 listing? Finally I'll have to check the ANS copy of Ball VIII (1932) to see if by chance prices were written in, as they were in many other catalogs I have from that period. My catalog has no prices, nor does the Heidelberg copy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RW Julian Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Thanks Bob. Now I see that your 2008 Journal article references your JRNS73 7-pager devoted to the 1807-AT. I wasn't aware of that article and will now read it...certainly a lot of story with that coin! Are you aware of an 1806-AT mentioned anywhere else? Also, I have to wonder what is the basis for Bitkin's R4 listing? Finally I'll have to check the ANS copy of Ball VIII (1932) to see if by chance prices were written in, as they were in many other catalogs I have from that period. My catalog has no prices, nor does the Heidelberg copy. I was unaware of the 1806 AT listing until you mentioned it on this forum. The R4 listing by Bitkin is a guess on his part; he also lists novodels (per Uzdenikov) for the Georgian series but I doubt that any exist. He says, for example, that the 1807 AT double abazi is a novodel but it is not; it is definitely a fake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Finally I'll have to check the ANS copy of Ball VIII (1932) to see if by chance prices were written in, as they were in many other catalogs I have from that period. My catalog has no prices, nor does the Heidelberg copy. Steve, What is Ball VIII (1932) catalog? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted February 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Robert Ball Nachfolger (Berlin), Sale VIII 1932 Heidelberg Link: http://digi.ub.uni-h...nachf1932_12_05 RUSSIAN PLATES http://digi.ub.uni-h.../1/Tafel_08.jpg http://digi.ub.uni-h.../1/Tafel_09.jpg I have several sale catalogs from this house which offered just 10 auctions from 1917-1934. They also put out a (larger) number of Fixed Price Lists but the FPLs I have weren't plated so are less interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Lots of Novodels! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 european catalogs may potentially bring a lot of rare russian / georgian coins, the only problem is that there are so many of these catalogs - needs a separate room keep them as in library Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted February 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 european catalogs may potentially bring a lot of rare russian / georgian coins, the only problem is that there are so many of these catalogs - needs a separate room keep them as in library Why is that a problem ...sounds great Here's a nice library http://www.flickr.com/photos/ahala_rome/sets/72157631713151633/with/8063781364/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 was that a joke ? can someone afford it in his appartment such stock ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted February 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 BCD put together one of the most spectacular collections of Ancient Greek ever. He's extremely serious and his library is no joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 thats not what i meant but its ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khokhloma Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 was that a joke ? can someone afford it in his appartment such stock ? Most Russian coin collectors in the USA live in large houses anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted February 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Most Russian coin collectors in the USA live in large houses anyway I certainly don't Besides, that guy's library is in Athens, Greece (I should have said that, I guess). Maybe they have more space there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Most Russian coin collectors in the USA live in large houses anyway Probably not in New York. Don't know, are there large houses in New York, or do you have to move to Jersey if you want one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 What do you consider as New York? If you mean Manhattan, then large house is not an option for a Russian coin collector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 What do you consider as New York? If you mean Manhattan, then large house is not an option for a Russian coin collector. Good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARENUM Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Probably not in New York. Don't know, are there large houses in New York, or do you have to move to Jersey if you want one? It is a lot of Houses in New York with large library. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARENUM Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Are you aware of an 1806-AT mentioned anywhere else? Also, I have to wonder what is the basis for Bitkin's R4 listing? Coins mention in 1915, I believed book photocopy or original in my library.Thank you for showing image from catalog . Rarenum PS: Will ask Bitkin about source for listing,possible the same book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 It is a lot of Houses in New York with large library. I'm glad to hear that! BTW Rarenum can you get a book by Zaittsev on Vasiliy the Blind coins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARENUM Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 I had book for sale last year ,sold out.Will keep you update if I find one copy for you. Rarenum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 I had book for sale last year ,sold out.Will keep you update if I find one copy for you. Rarenum On eBay? I must have missed it. I did by his book on coins of Ivan 3 and Vasiliy 3 form you. But didn't see the one on Vasiliy 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARENUM Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 Sorry, Will keep you update. Rarenum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted February 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 Any news about the 1915 reference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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