alexbq2 Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Here we go again! This is not the same coin. The top one has a netted edge. The lower coin has a lettered edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Here we go again what? They're completely different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted January 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Here we again what? They're completely different You think so? The position of the undercoin is identical, all visible elements of the undercoin are the same, the dies of the 1764 appear to be the same. I think the only differences are from the actual host coin used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Relative positions of undercoin-to-overcoin are different, not the same, so these aren't twins, if that's the suspicion. Having the same 1764 die (if true, which is not clear)...so what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 agree with steve. similar, but not identical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 It is true that one has to be more and more alert but I also think that they are astonishingly similar but not alike. Compare the 64 of the date. Sigi - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 Rather unusual but it would be cool to have them side by side in one's collection. Do you have them Alex? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted January 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 No, just saw a post on a Russian forum, and thought it would be a good idea to warn you. Looking at it again I do notice that the tail is overlapping more of the "under" E on the top coin than it is on the second coin. Perhaps that was a false alarm. But seems very suspicious to have such similar overstrikes turn up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 I think on some Russian forums they deem more coins to be fakes than they really should, even without any hard evidence, simply by the majority vote. The reason for that is that they want to be liked by "oldies". Making a mistake of sticking out for a genuine coin if in the end one of moderators will say it's a fake coin, may cost them their reputation, so they often say that coin is a fake (simply because they don't like it for some mysterious reason, that they have difficulty voicing [which is OK sometimes, if you say "I don't like it" and don't say "I don't like it so it must be a fake"]) hoping for moderator to correct them. If no moderator interjects, the coin, which may in fact be a genuine coin, is deemed to be a fake by a majority incompetent vote. This is my observation. The coins that Alex presented here, in my opinion are genuine enough, in spite of them being so similar, which is unusual, but that's about it. Thank you Alex for sharing though. I find CFN for example full of useful information... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 I would not "knock" the guys in Russia. After all they see a lot more than we do... Saved me a few k$ easy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholasz219 Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 I see the difference the most in the "E" in the mintmark which on one coin is completely separated from St. George and the Dragon and not so on the second, the tassel on the top of St. George is clearly visible on the second and muddled/worn on the first and where the overstrike occurs on the K of kopeck you can see different strikes more clearly than the other parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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