sigistenz Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 About 2 weeks ago I posted poor cellphone pictures of the coin above - a 5kop1781С.ПМ only known as a novodel. As the novodels were struck on new planchets (and did not circulate), the coin above obviously is NOT a novodel . Could there have been 1781 business strikes - hitherto unknown? Well, I got the owner to send me the coin for inspection. See below a close up of the 81 of the date. The 1 appears to have seen much less circulation than the 8. Tooling is evident at both sides of the 1. The sharp edges of the 1 reveal that it must be more recent than the worn down 8. This means that the 1 was cut not into the die but on the coin itself = FAKE . Sigi - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Too bad... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccg Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 Interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 I was really hoping for you it was genuine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted January 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 Thanks, Eugene Yes, I would have offered a high price. Sigi - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholasz219 Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Is it struck over a ten kopeck? It sure looks like it but I tend to stay away from overstrikes simply because my eyes are bad. I see the ten clearly but can not make out what type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Thanks, Eugene Yes, I would have offered a high price. Sigi I'm glad you saved the money though. I'm sure another great discovery is just around the corner. Is it struck over a ten kopeck? ... 10 Kop. 1762 ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted September 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 Here it is again - in the forthcoming Gorny&Mosch sale http://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=930&category=19303&lot=893181 The coin belonged to the late Rolf Weinsheimer (Germany), passed away in March. His widow who doesn't know a thing about coins and who had come to hate them, commissioned the truckload (maybe more) of them as a whole to Rolf's longtime business partner. Whom I informed. It is to be hoped that the coin will be withdrawn. Sigi - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 I am familiar with Rolf's coins. Visited him a few times. The prices in upcoming auction still reflect Rolf's wishes, as far as I can tell. So hopefully no disservice is done to the widow.... Even the plugged Peter I rouble still has a high estimate. Rolf thought it as the rarest Peter I rouble and unsuccessfully tried to sell it in many different auctions (with high reserve) - Gorny, Baldwin's, Markov (through Baldwin's). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted September 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 I am familiar with Rolf's coins. Visited him a few times. The prices in upcoming auction still reflect Rolf's wishes, as far as I can tell. So hopefully no disservice is done to the widow.... Even the plugged Peter I rouble still has a high estimate. Rolf thought it as the rarest Peter I rouble and unsuccessfully tried to sell it in many different auctions (with high reserve) - Gorny, Baldwin's, Markov (through Baldwin's). Nobody could be familiar with Rolf's coins - including himself. He just had too many and no system. He could not find what he thought to have somewhere and when searching was surprised with what he found. The country home of his was overloaded with Russian coins, many back in the bags in which they had been received, others loose on or under or inside or between hundreds of auction catalogs, reference books or in trays or in boxes with literally no space left for his wife other than the kitchen. Last time I saw him he cleared the floor in front of his large strongbox in order to open its door. When it went open a little avalanche fell out of it. His widow Ingrid seemed relieved to finally gain back the space beyond her kitchen. I had known my friend Rolf for 40 years. He was kind of difficult but he was absolutely honest and his knowledge was second to none. He had just one eye left from a 1944 wartime injury but that eye was sharp!!! Although constantly suffering pain he never lost his good humor - we laughed a lot together. I miss him. Sigi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 I respected Rolf for his knowledge and understanding of true rarities. I agree he had all these little envelopes, coin purses, etc. But I do remember many of his coins - can name most of them in the upcoming auction. Collector's memory works in a strange way. Here is one of the copper coins I purchased from Rolf on one of my visits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARENUM Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 In my memory about 10-12 years ago I sold to Rolf couple duplicates from my collection Siberian coins and 1702 polupoltinnik of Peter I and purchases a lot of coins( special Peter I period) from Gorny Auction (Ralf's consignments). Very sad Rolf Weinsheimer pass away,hi was a great collector with knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARENUM Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 I respected Rolf for his knowledge and understanding of true rarities. I agree he had all these little envelopes, coin purses, etc. But I do remember many of his coins - can name most of them in the upcoming auction. Collector's memory works in a strange way. Here is one of the copper coins I purchased from Rolf on one of my visits. Igor, Nice coins ,missing in my collection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Nobody could be familiar with Rolf's coins - including himself. He just had too many and no system. He could not find what he thought to have somewhere and when searching was surprised with what he found. The country home of his was overloaded with Russian coins, many back in the bags in which they had been received, others loose on or under or inside or between hundreds of auction catalogs, reference books or in trays or in boxes with literally no space left for his wife other than the kitchen. Last time I saw him he cleared the floor in front of his large strongbox in order to open its door. When it went open a little avalanche fell out of it. His widow Ingrid seemed relieved to finally gain back the space beyond her kitchen. I had known my friend Rolf for 40 years. He was kind of difficult but he was absolutely honest and his knowledge was second to none. He had just one eye left from a 1944 wartime injury but that eye was sharp!!! Although constantly suffering pain he never lost his good humor - we laughed a lot together. I miss him. Sigi What an interesting character! Thank you for sharing your experience with Rolf. Again, the stories behind these coins is what make them special in more ways than one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 ... Here is one of the copper coins I purchased from Rolf on one of my visits. Nice double-strike! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Sad to hear such legend passing away and at the same time not really knowing who he is. If his collection is so huge, what didn't he not have other than some extremely rare pattern coins? Probably might have some uncataloged variety coins. Very impressive to see the copper plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Nice double-strike! Take a look at the one from the upcoming WAG auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 It would be better if this sister coin would be like the one in the middle... Interesting how much it's going to go for... I'll watch the sale... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARENUM Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 I understand it is different techniques ,but second struck confuse me all the time.I would love to see other side( flat) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted September 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 Here it is again - in the forthcoming Gorny&Mosch sale http://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=930&category=19303&lot=893181 The coin belonged to the late Rolf Weinsheimer (Germany), passed away in March. His widow who doesn't know a thing about coins and who had come to hate them, commissioned the truckload (maybe more) of them as a whole to Rolf's longtime business partner. Whom I informed. It is to be hoped that the coin will be withdrawn. Sigi Today, Michael Stoll of GORNY&MOSCH agreed to withdraw the coin from the auction. Sigi - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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