nicholasz219 Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Does anyone in the forum have a specialty in Paul I copper coinage? I am working on a set of Polushkas, Dengas, 1 and 2 Kopeks in F-XF. I have noticed that most of the Polushkas and Dengas after 1798 are tough as well as all KM and some AM mints in decent grades without super inflated prices. Any advice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 I believe Steve Moulding has completed this set a while ago. I did remember seeing a key year going for four figures so I personally don't think this will be an easy set. Edit: couple of interesting reference http://home.earthlink.net/~smoulding/ref-paul.htm http://www.russiancoin.com/Paul.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 My 1799EM polushka is one of the rarest coins in my collection . That was bought years ago, before they started digging up rotten examples out of the ground in Russia (and they seem to be finding everything these days). Yes, Paul copper is a very difficult series for such a few short years. There are rare variants that I don't have (eg denga-sized cipher on a polushka). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 There are rare variants I don't have (eg Denga-sized cipher on a polushka). To add to what steve said: even KM coins (less 2 kop) are very difficult in decent condition. There are a lot of dugup rotten ones in russia, but I am still looking for most of them in decent gdarde. Also, am polushkas and dengas in good condition are also superhard. Narrow cypher (1797 am 2 kop) got a bit easier, but there is one sypher variant of that coin that is impossible to find. 1799 em 1/4 did not become easier in good condition. As for a rotten coin -- it would still be a lot of $ to purchase. 1799 em 1/2 is very hard in good condition. 1800 and 1801 em minors are becoming extremely hard, but not as impossible as they used to be. Other than that -- everything is pretty easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 I don't know about easy. Even the "common" 1797 and 1798 EM polushkas aren't as common as one would expect. The 2 kopeeks 1797 with big cypher and no mint mark is supposedly easy, but in my experience it is far from easy or cheap. The coins listed above a just impossibly hard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 1798 and 1797 1/4 in vf are cheap and easy. It is hard not to find them on ebay in 1 month. In AU they are hard, but still not very expensive -- $150 or so each... 1797 no mm is harder. But, also is not too hard. Although, when I say that, I mean it in comparrison to other harder P1 coins. In comparisson to N2, everything is hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 I mean in comparison to Paul's 1 and 2 kopeek coins. Even the most common Polushkas are much harder than those. You are correct about the prices, they are still very accessible. Recent acquisition (thanks to Sigi): This one's an older find: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Yep, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 These I have for trade. Would look at wings down in comparable condition. Also have an ugly 1797am 1/4 from for trade from Markov's auction somewhere... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 I can use a 1797 AM. Want to swap for the 3 kop 1845? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 I think paid 110 for it on Markov... Do not remember exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 If it's from Markov, may be you'll be interested in swapping it for some tea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 depends on the tea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 I'm afraid I only have Wissotzky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholasz219 Posted December 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Well, I am encouraged. I don't think that my coins are nearly as nice as Steve's or BKB's for example, but I am happy collecting the series. It does seem to attract a lot of dug up examples and I think that its unfortunate that so many are just in a nearly completely ruined condition. Then you have things such as this, where I do not know what to think of it, much less bid on it. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Imperial-Russia-2-Kopeiki-1797-Paul-I-Very-RARE-coins-Original-coins-/330842787198?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item4d07c44d7e I can not even be certain it is genuine, because it looks so modern and too strongly struck? Maybe I am just being paranoid. I can always use more advice on how to detect counterfeits or replicas, especially with Russia where everything seems to be either dug up from the ground or out of a counterfeiter's pocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 http://www.ebay.com/...=item4d07c44d7e I can not even be certain it is genuine, because it looks so modern and too strongly struck? Maybe I am just being paranoid. I can always use more advice on how to detect counterfeits or replicas, especially with Russia where everything seems to be either dug up from the ground or out of a counterfeiter's pocket. This seller has been all over ebay lately with many fakes both copper and silver. Rarely they are listed as "copy" or "can not be sure if genuine", but mostly no description. The coin you link to is fake. I would never buy ANYTHING from this seller. I have already reported several of his coins, but unless ebay gets multiple electronic reports on a listing or seller, they take NO action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 2 kop 1797 no m/m is no good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 I'm afraid I only have Wissotzky Get into Tea Forte, and we can talk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic gold Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 This is something extraordinary, as I have never before come across 1800 EM копейка with an altered date. I have not found this in literature either. The 2 копейки 1800 EM and полушка 1800 EM both have this variety, the latter predominantly, so this was to be expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 yep, an overdate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Hi thanks for showing. Actually many examples do show the overdate. The foot of the old 9 to the lower left of the first zero is often seen. What yours shows, which I haven't seen clearly before, is a trace of the old 7 to the upper left of the new eight. Nice! Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 ps 1800EM Dengas are also seen as an overdate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholasz219 Posted December 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 Keep sharing the photos, especially of the overdates. Every time I buy a coin from ebay in particular, I hope to find an overdate overlooked by the seller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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