constanius Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 Brass 20mm dated 1800 and probably produced at that time. All imitation spade guineas were not created equal, some of the earliest were made contemporary to the spade guineas themselves(no genuine spades were dated 1800) and were well executed, like this 1/2 spade guinea by George Simcox & Timmins(the S & T below bust), George Simcox active from 1791, a buckle & toy maker Birmingham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagerap Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 "George Simcox active from 1791, a buckle & toy maker Birmingham." A definition of TOY you may not be aware of: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_toy_industry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagerap Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 BTW, that "you" is general; not meant for you Pat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constanius Posted July 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 Good point to make, being a history buff & especially interested in exonumia from this period I knew that already, but I suspect most people don't, so a very useful bit of info Simcox was also descibed as buckle, counter & ring manufacturer and as a brass-founder. Thomas Simcox(1725-1788) owned a brass-foundery in Livery Street Birmingham, which he left to his son George(1763-1831), George resided at Harborne Hall & was also a county J.P. George Simcox had a few partnerships, one being with Timmins another being with Pemberton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagerap Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 Didn't realise that I already had one: very grubby though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug2222usa Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Is that considered a spiel-marke piece? Or just an advertising token? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constanius Posted July 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Is that considered a spiel-marke piece? Or just an advertising token? Neither, it is a gambling/card counter, some others were used for advertising by changing the reverse inscription from the genuine guinea inscription to an advertisement, see this link for examples & some more detail re imitation spade guineas http://www.coinpeopl...__1#entry506831 be sure to read all the replies for more detail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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