gxseries Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Before I mention any more of what I thought of this poltina, thought I would like to hear your opinions on it. http://www.ebay.com/...em=251097144827 Sure is low grade but there is a couple of things that bothered me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrei Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Fake......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted July 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Please let me know how it's fake Andrei. I am more interested to know if this is indeed the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kopeikin Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Beyond low grade all looks OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted July 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 It's not the low grade that I'm after - there's a couple of details that made me look at it twice. One major hint: year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candidate Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Coin is 100% original. It has an overdate (1812/1) and re-engraved mintmasters initials (МФ/ФГ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted July 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Spot on Candidate. I can understand the overdate aspect but reengraved mintmasters initals? That's like taking someone else's work and claiming that it's yours! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candidate Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Mintmaster is not an artist or the "author of the die", he is the official person of the mint responsible for certain "production line" (e.g., gold, silver or copper coins). So when mintmaster was changed but the mint was going to use previously produced dies it was normal and quite common to change mintmaster's initials on available dies respectively. There are many examples of Russian coins with such changed initials, for example, on silver coins: МФ/ФГ in 1812, ПС/МФ In 1813, МФ/ПС in 1814, НГ/ПД in 1825, АЧ/НГ in 1842... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 I can also note that I'm the underbidder. Did you win it? If so - congrats! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 I do not get one point, how a coin can be bought if there is a pic on one site only given ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kopeikin Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 I see both sides of coin on eBay site. Check if you have your internet browser updated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterShell Posted July 6, 2012 Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 Everything was said by Candidate... perfect "diagnosis" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted August 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 Got it a while and finally photographed it. I'm really happy with it. Also, thanks for letting me know of various year and mintmaster overdates, Candidate. Will be hunting them down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 what is right next to second 1 in date - looks like small zero ? ot letter O ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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