sigistenz Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 This eBay coin is pretty worn but it deserves a 2nd glance. It shows the old eagle of the 1768-1778 type - a rare die combination. Ilyin-Tolstoy in his time valued it 3 rub. (same as for example 5kop1761MM, 5kop1768MM, Sib.10kop1766--, Sib.10kop1767--). Unfortunately I was not the only watcher to note, so it went up to $250 Sigi See the eBay link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/320857240055 - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Good catch, Sigi! Were these ever overstruck? I'm not sure why, but it has that "overstruck look" about it... ... particularly the edge (it seems like it had perhaps been done twice -- look towards the lower half of the picture). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lee Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 I got this same coin, in a little worse condition, for less than $60. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted March 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Good catch, Sigi! Were these ever overstruck? I'm not sure why, but it has that "overstruck look" about it... ... particularly the edge (it seems like it had perhaps been done twice -- look towards the lower half of the picture). Hi Bob, good to hear from you again. The coin is not an overstrike. EM did in fact overstrike some of the 1762 10 kopek, but only in 1763, 1764, 1765 and 1767. No later dates are known. Of course, with Russian coins there is never an absolute certainty but this coin is not an overstrike. As to the edge it must be said that less care was taken with copper coins. The planchets were run through primitive rimming machines without much precision. The planchets were to do one turn for the rim all around. If the turn was slightly exceeded, a portion of the edge was rimmed twice. Check your piatki, you'll find that it happened quite often. Happy hunting, Sigi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted March 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 I got this same coin, in a little worse condition, for less than $60. Hey Joe, thanks for your comment. Could you show pictures of both sides of your coin? Sigi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Congrats Sigi! I was wandering who won this coin, but I thought you already had one of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted March 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Congrats Sigi! I was wandering who won this coin, but I thought you already had one of these. No, not exactly this type. The 1778 and 1779 variants is becoming an obsession. I am thinking of showing a comparison of my 4 pairs of the 2 dates. Sigi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lee Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Sorry it took so long to respond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Not the same -- Sigi's is a rare variety (1779 with the older eagle type used in 1778). But yours is 1785, not even the same date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lee Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Not the same -- Sigi's is a rare variety (1779 with the older eagle type used in 1778). But yours is 1785, not even the same date. I never said mine was the same date. Sigi just wanted to see my coin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Hi Joe, We tend to get excited here about die varieties so when you said you "got this same coin", to us that means same date, same rare die pairing etc. That's why Sigi wanted to see it. A misunderstanding, I guess. Hope you enjoy your coin Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lee Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Hi Joe, We tend to get excited here about die varieties so when you said you "got this same coin", to us that means same date, same rare die pairing etc. That's why Sigi wanted to see it. A misunderstanding, I guess. Hope you enjoy your coin Steve Darn. Sorry about the confusion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted March 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Hello everybody, yes, I expected to see another 1779 but no problem. Joe, I specialize in the large 5 kopeks like yours by date, mint AND their variants As to 1779 EM there are quite some eagle variants - that's what it was about. Thank you for the picture of your 1785 and don't go away. Sigi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lee Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 I am really sorry if I got anyone's hopes up. My knowledge of Russian coins is, clearly, extremely lacking. I was not aware that there were so many variations of the Catherine The Great coins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imperialcoins Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 This is realy more rare coins on picture 1 becouse the abverse (eagle) type 2 - more rare, then type 3. As for me 250 $ this is prise not very expensive for this coins, becouse the condition (quality) not very bad. i guess this coins is not underground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imperialcoins Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 and of course it is not overstike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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