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Guys, I need some help with this one. <br>

I would like to pin a BG number on this but I do not have the Breen-Gillio reference to aid me. <br>

Here are some of the diagnostics I have noted: <p>

Obverse: <br>

1. The coronet tip is closer to the star than to the center between the stars.<br>

2. Liberty’s head is more upright opposed to leaning back.<br>

3. The forward truncation of neck is up and over the star.<br><p>

Reverse: <br>

1. Stars bracket the “DERI” (M. Deriberpie) <br>

2. Broken “L” in GOLD so as to spell GOID <p>

<img src=http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/0/2/4/5/7/0/webimg/539519416_o.jpg><p> <img src=http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/0/2/4/5/7/0/webimg/539519572_o.jpg> <p> <img src=http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/0/2/4/5/7/0/webimg/539519260_o.jpg><p>

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Yes, It is beat up, holed, and abused, but I just can't send it to the old melting pot just yet :cry:

 

 

 

And I thought my 3 ruble platinum was beat to hell and gone....

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You'd never send it to the melting pot! Raffle it off here before you do that!!

 

It also doesn't look gold. Is that due to the particular composition?

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You'd never send it to the melting pot! Raffle it off here before you do that!!

 

It also doesn't look gold. Is that due to the particular composition?

The photo color is off due to the type of camera I was using (Dino-Lite with LED Lighting)

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I don't own the Breen Gillio reference so I cannot check the illustrations to be sure, but I suspect this is BG 519. It could be 518, but 519 description seems to fit best.

 

Try this LINK.

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Yes, It is beat up, holed, and abused, but I just can't send it to the old melting pot just yet :cry:

 

The platinum isn't holed but it got attacked with a knife, twice (probably to apply the acid test), and is bent also--if you set it on a flat surface obverse up, you can "rock" it. On the plus side you can handle the coin without worry of damage.

 

And I wouldn't dream of melting either yours or mine.

 

If I came across as belittling I apologize, for such was not my intent. I wasn't laughing at the coin, I was laughing at us collectors for oohing and aahing over something any normal (i.e., non-coin-crazy) person probably would want to melt.

 

"Give me your tarnished, nameless, worn out,

Your holed, bent or knifed coin yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your dusty old cigar box.

Send these, the unappreciated discs to me,

I'll get it slabbed or post it on Coin People!"

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The platinum isn't holed but it got attacked with a knife, twice (probably to apply the acid test), and is bent also--if you set it on a flat surface obverse up, you can "rock" it. On the plus side you can handle the coin without worry of damage.

 

If I came across as belittling I apologize, for such was not my intent. I wasn't laughing at the coin, I was laughing at us collectors for oohing and aahing over something any normal (i.e., non-coin-crazy) person probably would want to melt.

 

 

Oh, no offense taken here--I think that worn or damaged coins / tokens offer excellent "study samples" that are very afforadable. They give an oppertunity to hold in your hand examples that you may not be able to obtain or afford otherwise. I have alot of fun doing research and educating myself with samples like these. Posting them on Coinpeople is great because you can get all sorts of opinions one way or the other--And I would expect a little humor along the way!

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I don't own the Breen Gillio reference so I cannot check the illustrations to be sure, but I suspect this is BG 519. It could be 518, but 519 description seems to fit best.

 

Try this LINK.

Well Bill was right! After borrowing a copy of "California Pioneer Fractional Gold" from the ANA library I did indeed find that this example is a BG519.

And for those interested in the Breen / Gillio publication I would definately add this to my library given the oppertunity. In depth, easy to use and good illustrations.

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I agree on both points you make:

 

The Breen / Gillio reference is excellent (especially the history by Bob Leonard).

 

Membership in the ANA gives you access to the best numismatic lending library in the world.

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