PeterShell Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Imagine that Warsaw Mint decides to make let's say "Novodel" of 10 zlotych/ 1 1/2 rouble. Perfect copy with all possible parameters of original coin - weight, alloy, size .. the difference will be small mark somwhere on the coin .. How much would you pay for this ? What year would you prefer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 cost of silver + 10% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saor Alba Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 I think I would rather have some of the 1920's and early 1930's perfect Jadwiga coins myself. I saw an PF-67 10 zlotych that was going for $9K - I would prefer not to have to spend that sort of dosh on one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterShell Posted January 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 I hate copies also .. but it could be treated almost as Novodel... Same Mint, same parameters and I think that they have original dices. Not sure but I saw them in their show room ... So +10% to silver ? I think that even + 100% to silver would be fair in this case. There will be much more people willing to pay 80 -100 USD for this numismat than those who are able to pay UNC original for 800 - 1000 USD or more .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve D'Ippolito Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 The Warsaw mint is selling these? This is not a hypothetical question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 On some forum, I have read a collection of threads dealing with a similar issue. A collector in Germany had learned that a team of historical enthusiasts in some German town has replicated a fully functional 18th century screw press. This person, is apparently very hands on. I do not not how, but he made excellent die copies for the (I think) Paul's narrow cypher 2 kopeeks, I think he might have made other denominations as well. The difference was that he embedded 2010 or 2011 into the line above the original date. So with these dies and the equipment build in that city he conducted a series of experiments. Not sure how many "coins" he minted, but he offered to auction some off to the members of that forum. I think he started them at some trivial amount, but surprisingly the demand was quite strong and the competition fierce. I don't recall exactly, but I think that the end price was well over $100 per coin. Based on this I would think that if Warsaw mint makes a limited amount of really good replicas, I would expect that $80-$100 per coin would be an attainable price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 I hate copies also .. but it could be treated almost as Novodel... Same Mint, same parameters and I think that they have original dices. Not sure but I saw them in their show room ... So +10% to silver ? I think that even + 100% to silver would be fair in this case. There will be much more people willing to pay 80 -100 USD for this numismat than those who are able to pay UNC original for 800 - 1000 USD or more .. I will not argue what is fair. The question was as to my subjective opinion. I view such artifacts as silver bars, nothing more. It is not a Novodel. Doubt anyone would be silly enough to use original dies, for those will come apart pretty fast. I would rather save money and pay $800- to $1000 for an original coin, than pay $100 for a replica. Again, this is very subjective. Some people buy cheap fakes to plug holes in the collection where an impossible-to-find coin should be. I am not one of these guys, that is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterShell Posted January 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 The Warsaw mint is selling these? This is not a hypothetical question? Oh..It is hypothetical Steve Just was thinking about that and realized that somehow (although I don't buy copies - and fully agree with BKB) I'm able to consider such purchase... No Warsaw Mint is not selling something like that.. But who knows ..maybe in the future... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve D'Ippolito Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 I personally did buy the cupro-nickel restrike of the 25 ruble gold piece (or was it the 37 1/2? can't remember)... just so I could show people what the coin looked like. It was an obvious non-genuine article, however, between it being obviously in the wrong metal AND having the Р for replica. Such _obvious_ restrikes that nevertheless show the original design can be educational; it's similar to "specimen" banknotes. The mere existence of the restrike raised a red flag, however, because it became clear that the original hub existed somewhere and that it was possible for someone to make restrikes _not_ labeled as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candidate Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 ...restrike of the 25 ruble gold piece (or was it the 37 1/2? can't remember)... just so I could show people what the coin looked like. It was an obvious non-genuine article, however, between it being obviously in the wrong metal AND having the Р for replica. It is 37 1/2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 BKB, I thought these coins are easily in terms of 10,000USD+++??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 BKB, I thought these coins are easily in terms of 10,000USD+++??? Only Proofs. Did not see MS coins bring much over $1,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candidate Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 Only Proofs. Did not see MS coins bring much over $1,000. It is not true.ANY, even most common (e.g.,as 1835НГ), 10 zloty / 1 1/2 rouble in MS are well over $2,000. MANY (as 1838НГ, 1838MW, 1839НГ, 1840НГ, 1841НГ, etc.) are rare or very rare in any condition, and in MS may be worth $ 50K+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 I guess I missed something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 I was thinking of the 1836 family ruble which was struck in that denomination. Did forget about the common 1.5 ruble - 10 zlot that circulated at that time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterShell Posted January 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 We were talking about "common" 1 1/2 rouble from Warsaw Mint..not Familly rouble. There would be no use to make this in Warsaw Mint as original was not. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 five variets of family rubles coming up at Kunker in few days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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