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Espirito85's got a point - I've never seen anything like that before. These are the known coins from 1992.

 

http://ciscoins.net/ru1992e.htm

 

But what is unusual is the following:

 

There is no denomination of 1 kopek. While the coin claims that it's from Moscow Mint - the style of the "1992" seem to be from Leningrad Mint.

 

what is the size and weight of the coin espirito?

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Espirito85's got a point - I've never seen anything like that before. These are the known coins from 1992.

 

http://ciscoins.net/ru1992e.htm

 

But what is unusual is the following:

 

There is no denomination of 1 kopek. While the coin claims that it's from Moscow Mint - the style of the "1992" seem to be from Leningrad Mint.

 

what is the size and weight of the coin espirito?

 

 

diameter 1,4 см, weight 1,5 грамм. And it's magnet.

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Espirito85, sorry, but I'm just curious: what's the puprose of asking somebody else's opinion on 1 of your 2 unique coins after you already discussed them for 2 weeks or so at 2 most populated (and popular) Russian numismatic web-forums ?

 

And moreover, you have already shown your coins (1 and 5 kopecks 1992) to 3 of most experienced and esteemed experts on Soviet / post-Soviet Russian coins in Russia and already received their opinion that coins are genuine (production of Moscow Mint).

 

I mean, I think that it is nothing wrong to show your coins here as well - but isn't it a sort of cheating to ask somebody else's opinion after you received opinions of Mr.Fedorin, Mr.Rylov and Mr.Kapustin, without mentioning those?

 

And even stating that "no one in Russia knows about it"...

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Espirito85, sorry, but I'm just curious: what's the puprose of asking somebody else's opinion on 1 of your 2 unique coins after you already discussed them for 2 weeks or so at 2 most populated (and popular) Russian numismatic web-forums ?

 

And moreover, you have already shown your coins (1 and 5 kopecks 1992) to 3 of most experienced and esteemed experts on Soviet / post-Soviet Russian coins in Russia and already received their opinion that coins are genuine (production of Moscow Mint).

 

I mean, I think that it is nothing wrong to show your coins here as well - but isn't it a sort of cheating to ask somebody else's opinion after you received opinions of Mr.Fedorin, Mr.Rylov and Mr.Kapustin, without mentioning those?

 

And even stating that "no one in Russia knows about it"...

 

))) I just try to find any information. Maybe someone's sold such coins abroad Russia.

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Espirito85, sorry, but I'm just curious: what's the puprose of asking somebody else's opinion on 1 of your 2 unique coins after you already discussed them for 2 weeks or so at 2 most populated (and popular) Russian numismatic web-forums ?

 

And moreover, you have already shown your coins (1 and 5 kopecks 1992) to 3 of most experienced and esteemed experts on Soviet / post-Soviet Russian coins in Russia and already received their opinion that coins are genuine (production of Moscow Mint).

 

I mean, I think that it is nothing wrong to show your coins here as well - but isn't it a sort of cheating to ask somebody else's opinion after you received opinions of Mr.Fedorin, Mr.Rylov and Mr.Kapustin, without mentioning those?

 

And even stating that "no one in Russia knows about it"...

It is always great to see nice or unusual or even unique coins and learn about them, to widen one's horizon. Thank you, Espirito85 for showing the coin.

I am maybe not the only one here to not understand enough Russian for Russian forums.

It would be interesting to know the answers of the specialists you consulted :bhyper:

Thank you again, Sigi

 

 

 

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Thanks! I know that! )) But there is no information about that coin, and no one in Russia knows about it.

Comes across as very rude, when you post a coin & state only that they come from a family collection & ask for any opinions(you did not say that it was russian 1 kopek) & then reply using !! to ccg. Perhaps when asking for opinions/info you should provide all the info that you already know, because if not and some one tells you something that you are already know you seem to be annoyed!

 

None of us here are mind readers, so by giving the full details of an item you stand the best chance of receiving new info, if any is available, or at the least not being told something you already know!

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Espirito85, sorry, but I'm just curious: what's the puprose of asking somebody else's opinion on 1 of your 2 unique coins after you already discussed them for 2 weeks or so at 2 most populated (and popular) Russian numismatic web-forums ?

 

And moreover, you have already shown your coins (1 and 5 kopecks 1992) to 3 of most experienced and esteemed experts on Soviet / post-Soviet Russian coins in Russia and already received their opinion that coins are genuine (production of Moscow Mint).

 

I mean, I think that it is nothing wrong to show your coins here as well - but isn't it a sort of cheating to ask somebody else's opinion after you received opinions of Mr.Fedorin, Mr.Rylov and Mr.Kapustin, without mentioning those?

 

And even stating that "no one in Russia knows about it"...

 

 

Are the 1992 1 and 5 kopecks coins patterns? I don't recall ever hearing of them until now.

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I have no knowledge about period after revolution so I can only trust that it is something

unique. On the other hand I can imagine how it happened, because I know some examples of such "procedure" in my country.. The "guys" from the Mint just decided for some reason (probably money) to create something like that.. If the pattern is same as existing one on other coins (diff years) it was not complicated.. Question of existing material which for sure, on the "production" line, is abundant and some time which for sure was also available :bwink:

If this is totaly unique pattern than the question how many differences to the existing coins.. But this is something to compare by those who collect this period..

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Are the 1992 1 and 5 kopecks coins patterns? I don't recall ever hearing of them until now.

Nobody did... I am not a specialist in this period as well, but as long as I could follow discussions on 2 forums (dozens pages, hundreds posts...) most are inclining to the "pattern" version as well.

 

The main hypothesis is that probably all the lineup of nominals (as 1-5-10-50 kopeks - 2 latter not discovered yet; and 1-5 roubles) was prepared for minting in 1992 by Moscow mint with new "Bank of Russia Eagle" design, but producing of kopeks were cancelled due to high inflation rate (so later 10-20-50-100 roubles were added).

 

But there are also some indications (including those from topic starter) that some considerable amount of new coins for circulation might have been minted already before they were ordered to be re-melted; in this case these coins may be considered as not "pattern", but "unreleased circulation coins" (same as 1958 series).

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I think that they may look "worn" due to several reasons (or combination of them):

- generally minting quality was not perfect in this period, and made with cheap materials (alloy plated steel) - therefore most circulation coins looked "worn" and "cheap" even immediately after minting;

- it was not treated specially (as "pattern"), but was kept with large amounts of similar coins in bags;

- after taken out (stolen...) from mint it was kept for almost 20 years in maybe not proper condition;

- scan quality is not so good (CIS-type scanner is used probably which is good only for scanning flat documents).

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