CMCART Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 Street" morgans - would like help on knowing the grade - - 1880 s and 1884 p: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoRnholio Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 Something really looks off to me. Especially that 1880. It has Chinese fake qualities. The 0 in the date is slanted, mintmark is mushy, and it has that dull metal look that is common for fakes. Might also be the pics, but it looks larger to me than the one beside it. I'd imagine you bought them from the same person, craiglist/kijiji meetup perhaps? I'd be very suspect of both coins. First step, grab a magnet. If it sticks, it stinks. Second step, get an accurate scale and check the weights. Should weigh 26.7g, or just barely less than this. Third step, get a ruler with millimeters on it. Coin should be 38.1mm in diameter, thickness of 3.1mm. If it fails any of these, you have yourself some expensive paperweights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMCART Posted September 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 No magnetic The 1880 s Bought by my father in 1976 in Tel Aviv from a dealer coins and the 1884 p bought by me from a dealer coins in Tel Aviv 3 weeks 2011 ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Stilson Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 My guess would be vf 35's. The hair lines are on the weak side, but there is feathers showing on the eagles breast. Almost a split grade. One thing you don't see on a fake is the mark on the cheek of the 1880 S The 1884 has me puzzled. The marks on and below the eagles tail feathers seem strange. Since the lines on the tail feathers don't appear to be on the branch and that is higher. The same way with the lines in the field when they cross the wreath seem odd. Is it toning or damage? Damage is expected some what on a coin that grade. But because if damage it might drop over all grade some. In other words a low vf. Or be considered details. BTW looks like it might be a doubled large mint S vam. And the 1884 may be a far date. This does not add a premium but check for doubling on the eye. Possibly 1884-P VAM-16 Alligator Eye, Far Date, Doubled 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMCART Posted May 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 My first MORGAN coin Returned from NGC The 1880 s Bought by my father in 1976 Before NGC: After returning from NGC: One was the business cycle And the other probably stayed in a bag in the bank vault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedeadpoint Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 Well done! I agree they looked fishy to me too but glad we were wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Stilson Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 Did you ever check to see if the 1884 is an alligator eye? http://www.vamworld.com/1884-P+VAM-16 Not a premium on it but neat none the less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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