sigistenz Posted July 30, 2011 Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 In 1788 the KM mint introduced a new eagle design with a narrow scroll/ribbon below the eagle. The denomination (Five kopeks in cyrillic) is always placed asymmetrically with more free space behind than ahead. Taking into account the masterly design, it is unlikely that the unequal placing happened by negligence. It cries for a dot behind the legend. For some reason or other it is absent. Mostly. See 4 examples below of 1788 to 1790 coins. The 5th one, however, shows a 1789KM with the dot. Compare how harmonic that scroll is. Of all the Catherine II piataks, Yusupow mentions a dot behind the denomination only once, at a (scarce) variant of the 1763CM 5kopek. Nowhere else. Your comments greatly appreciated, thanks, Sigi Uploaded with ImageShack.us - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 Maybe another? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted August 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 Maybe another? Yes, indeed, Bob, that's another 1789 with dot What puzzles me is that the great majority of that type have the space for the dot forseen but the dot itself missing. Sigi - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 Yes, indeed, Bob, that's another 1789 with dot What puzzles me is that the great majority of that type have the space for the dot forseen but the dot itself missing. Sigi - I guess my name is Bob now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted August 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 I guess my name is Bob now I am sorry - I was busy with 2 things at the same time, which is too much for a retired person Please let's stay friends, I won't do it again. Sigi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Very interesting! Thanks for pointing this out!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted August 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 Very interesting! Thanks for pointing this out!!! Thank you, Alex - and would you show a better picture of the rare 1764 coin you won these days? I was undecided to bid on it or not. Sometimes a coin turns out to be nicer in hand than on the eBay picture. Sometimes is is the other way round. Thanks again, Sigi - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 I would like to contribute to this topic as well, since Sigi's discovery caused me to go find my 1789 KM 5k, and examine it. I can confirm my very nice example, when examined under 20x magnification, indeed has NO dot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Thank you, Alex - and would you show a better picture of the rare 1764 coin you won these days? I was undecided to bid on it or not. Sometimes a coin turns out to be nicer in hand than on the eBay picture. Sometimes is is the other way round. Thanks again, Sigi Will post pictures once (and if) I receive it. I think I finally figured out how to use my camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 Not sure if these pictures are better but here is the 1764 5 kopeeks. I would say that this is a slight improvement over my previous coin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 Oh, and if anyone is interested here is my previous coin (formerly from the collection of our friend thumperdad): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 What am I missing with the 1764? Is this the smaller crown die? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 What am I missing with the 1764? Is this the smaller crown die? 1764 SPM is just a scarce coin. As I understand this is a more common variety though (Large bow, Small mint mark). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 in catalog Wolmar - small mint mark letters graded as R1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 in catalog Wolmar - small mint mark letters graded as R1 The R1 is taken from Bitkin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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