oregoncoin Posted December 8, 2010 Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 You know you're staring at your 18th-century Russian copper too much when you think everything is double struck, clashed, struck on older coins, struck on foreign coins, etc. It's easy to imagine things that aren't there after a while. That said, does anyone have any pics of common circulating Swedish copper coins from the 1600s and 1700s that could have been used by Russian mints as blanks for their coins? It seems to me that some coins would be more likely candidates than others. That is, Swedish coins whose circulating value was about the price of copper or lower at the time would have been great to use as blanks. Imagine the hassle and expense of melting down a bunch of copper, rolling it out into even sheets, punching out coin blanks, etc. - especially when it's cold outside. Compare that to the relative ease of sending some guys to a neighboring country to collect a few wagon loads of copper coins, or offering neighboring country banks a small premium to export copper specie. I actually wonder if Russia's constant switching around of copper standards was related to similar switching around in Sweden, and vice versa? Were the two locked in a parallel monetary/economic warfare of sorts? Was this the reason for what seem to be repeated attempts to decouple copper coins' face value and intrinsic value throughout the 18th century (think of those little copper dalers from the early 17-teens that caused problems in Sweden, and little copper kopeks of the late 1720s, or experiments like plate money and the Sestroretsk ruble). Were those attempts to prevent mass export of coins as blanks, or were coin weights, compositions (harder=more difficult to use as blanks), and designs (higher relief=more difficult to use as blanks) carefully calculated so as not to correspond to any even denominations of the neighbor or to otherwise make their use as blanks attractive? I'm thinking of the polushkas and dengas of the 1730s to 1750s - most years mass-produced in hard copper alloys, in odd weights that don't exactly correspond to other circulating coins, with the Russian crest in very high relief. Perhaps that's why most of those coins are still around, whereas it seems like most large kopeks (of both main designs) of Peter and 1727(?) groshes got used as denga blanks, most small kopeks of Catherine I and Peter II got used as polushka blanks, most Baroque/"Dalquest" kopeks got used as 2 kopek blanks under Elizabeth and Catherine II and 4 kopek blanks under Peter III, etc. Was recoining used as much to stifle public memory of past royalty as it was to cause coinage shortages and economic problems in neighboring countries? I'm sure someone out there knows the real answer - I'm just purely speculating. I also want to see some actual pics of Swedish coins to get a better idea of whether my own coins really have crowns, arrows, etc., under the designs of some of my Catherine II copper dengas, kopeks, and 2 kopek coins, or if I'm just imagining things. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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