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I have some bank notes that I am unable to scan in. For example the Euro. It seems to scan half the note and then stops. this happens everytime.

 

Now before someone says its the scanner thats faulty, it scans all other bank notes fine. Just certain notes.. If its a security feature how does one get around this problem

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I have some bank notes that I am unable to scan in. For example the Euro. It seems to scan half the note and then stops. this happens everytime.

 

Now before someone says its the scanner thats faulty, it scans all other bank notes fine. Just certain notes.. If its a security feature how does one get around this problem

 

The scanner is probably working just fine and the notes have a security feature that disables the scanner. Try making a digital photograph instead of scanning.

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Before turning to crime (ahem), I worked for 20 years as a computer programmer and technical writer.

 

Back in the winter 2002/2003, I completed a state-certified seminar in computer security that included counterfeiting via desktops. At that time, it was already state of the art for commercial off-the-shelf (COTS) printers with built-in scanners to record the timestamp when you scan money. That was eight years ago.

 

From 2004-2006, I served as the editor of the MSNS Mich-Matist. Scanning various paper money for illustrations and art, my printer refused to correctly scan a Depression Scrip from Detroit. Not surprisingly, the note looks a lot like a federal dollar. (I uploaded the images to www.banknotebank.com where, as here, I am mmarotta.)

 

More recently, with a range of world banknotes, for other projects I have not had the problem. Admittedly, these are older notes. This topic came through the numismatic community a couple of years ago specifically because of the impact on archiving and research. We can scan coins, but paper is problematic.

 

Bill may be right, that the security is in the note, (newer notes are harder to scan). I believe that now (as in 2002), any such flags or tags must work with security within your printer. So, there must have been a protocol decided upon among the Powers That Be.

 

Printers are, in fact, completely insecure from the user point of view. If you have a multifunction printer/scanner/fax, it can record and report. If you throw it out or sell it, the next person can access your logs. A CBS News story found police records in used printers for sale from a warehouse. Larger printers have diskdrives. Any printer connected to the Internet can be accessed from the Internet.

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It doesn't have to be modern or USA to not be scannable. I have several 1920's and 1930's era Dutch notes printed by Joh. Enschede en Zonen that are PITAs to scan because of the multicoloured patterns in the notes. What happens when I scan them is that they get moire patterns that are not part of the notes.

 

I have two old scanners, one I use as a primary and the other as it's eventual replacement. I have had to download 64 bit patches for them because the programmes were designed around 32 bit machines. I have no problems scanning older notes, but I have no interests in newer stuff anyway so I haven't noticed any issues ever with scanning USA notes.

 

The sad truth about the technology currently used to thwart counterfeiting of USA notes is that many of the aspects of it have been around for many decades, or even centuries. Watermarks have been around since practically the advent of paper money, and micro-printing seems to have been developed by Giesecke & Devrient in Munich in the late 19th century. Security threads have been around since the 1940s. All of these are fairly recent to come to USA paper money.

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Thanks for all your help this is a new scanner I am using its only a scanner no printer or anything attached. Its a basic USB Scanner. I can do without scanning those notes as I am suyre I csn find them somewhere else on the web.. The only reason I needed to scan them is that the software I use allows for pictures to be inserted and its a good way of looking at what is there without handling the notes themselves.

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Thanks for all your help this is a new scanner I am using its only a scanner no printer ... and its a good way of looking at what is there without handling the notes themselves.

 

Last week, I attended a presentation from the Electronic Frontier Foundation. Next month, I will be making a presentation on this subject to a computer security group here in Ann Arbor. I have been gathering information from threads such as this one, following up with queries and so on.

 

We numismatists archive, research, and report on the forms and uses of money. These technologies prevent that open exchange of information.

 

The barriers are not consistent across makes and models of equipment. Some will not scan, others will not print. My HP 1610 lets me copy certain notes, but not print them. Notes that MS Word and MS Paint will not let me print, can be printed from MS Excel. Of the 31 signatories to the Central Bank Counterfeit Deterrence Group (CBCDG), not all have engaged the same protections. Some modern notes are subject to archiving, while others defeat it.

 

We all face these problems. People come to these forums and declare without qualification that you should use this or that program, but they are ignorant of the fact that some barriers are at the chip level on the machines. They declare "my printer has no problems" but do not state the make and model. They do not identify the objects that they are working with. Sometimes, they have only scanned and not printed, and then declare that there is no problem.

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People come to these forums and declare without qualification that you should use this or that program, but they are ignorant of the fact that some barriers are at the chip level on the machines. They declare "my printer has no problems" but do not state the make and model. They do not identify the objects that they are working with. Sometimes, they have only scanned and not printed, and then declare that there is no problem.

 

i came to the forums and in another thread (scanning notes, scanning NOT printing) i said how does it work for ME

without qualification... do you need qualification or exchange your 'working' experience ?

for that kind of thread-discussion there is no problem with my kit in only scanning, where is the problem ?

 

if a guy asks whats the problem with a note, i give my little knowledge, if a guy comes asking 'whats the problem with the chips of my printer' i will shut up.

-and in my situation one software works for most of notes but has problems with others, another program(software: Gimp) takes them all- (it's a working fact, a hint it might be helpful for you too)

 

(since the thread is about scanning for online use it's not my problem eventual problems about printing)

 

is this so bad to tell people ' they are just ignorants with no qualification ?

 

i'm not here to make the autopsy and analization of printers

 

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is this so bad to tell people ' they are just ignorants with no qualification ?

 

 

 

I think you misinterpreted what Mike said. Without qualification was referring to what scanner, what printer, what software program, what version, etc. He was not referring to the qualifications of the person, nor was he calling them ignorant. Ignorant was referring to the fact that they may not know about the different security devices included in different products and programs.

 

Thus, a statement that I don't have a problem doesn't mean much unless I qualify that statement with the products and versions I am using. Many of the technicalities are not generally advertised or well known since they are security measures.

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