2 Examples of George III Death 1820 BHM#995 RRRR.

[constanius]

BHM#995;

Obv. Similar to No. 994. Laureate head of George III, right. GOD PROTECTS THE JUST

Rev. Name of Jehovah in Hebrew above rays shining down on Imperial crown. FEAR GOD HONOUR THE KING

Br. 25 by T. Kettle. RRRR. Highest rarity in BHM, in an unusually nice condition.

 

Below is a previously posted medal, which uses the reverse of the above medal for its obverse.

George III Death Medal 1820. Obv. Name of Jehovah in Hebrew above rays shining down on Imperial crown.FEAR GOD, HONOUR THE KING. Rev. THE LORD'S PRAYER. BHM# 996 RRRR. (Highest rarity in BHM) Br. 25mm by Kettle.

[frank]

Jeepers Constanius... remind us of the estimated mintages of RRRR tokens?

[constanius]

Brown himself does not give numbers, but we know that only 10 of BHM#4450 1953 Coronation of Queen Elizabeth II 57mm in gold were struck & he only gives that a rarity of RRR.

So most people assume under 10 for RRRR. Now we should not necessarily extrapolate that one instance for all the listed medals in BHM, but it is one example where we do have the actual number struck to compare to his rarity rating. We should expect that with medals over 200 years old there could be quite a few lost in attics, old desks etc so there is always the possibility that some more might turn up.

 

Brown: "No attempt has been made to relate numbers struck with the degree of rarity unless this is definitely known. Generallly speaking this is not available and the rarity has been computed from the quantity that the author has seen during the 29 years that the catalogue took to compile. In addition, some 35 years experience in handling commemorative medals has been drawn upon, a record having been kept of the examples that have been seen"

 

A couple of years ago a seller on eBay listed as a buy it now "Princess Charlotte ¹/₁₀ Decem" he was selling them one at a time(at a really low price), he had 10 available, he had found the box of ten in a house clearance & wrongly assumed they were "a dime a dozen". So if it had been listed in BHM(It is not) & previously rated RRRR. the discovery would in effect have altered that to RRR. So you can see we need a certain amount of caution when dealing with older medals.

[frank]

Interesting. What a rewarding field of exonumia you have chosen --since few people know the rarities of what they have, you get (sometimes!) to snap them up à bas prix. Lovely.

[bill]

I like the Lord's Prayer piece (for obvious reasons). As for the man himself, I think we Americans were more than pleased to commemorate his passing.

[constanius]

I think we Americans were more than pleased to commemorate his passing.

 

I have mused if you American Colonists had not been so revolutionary minded & had stayed loyal to the Crown(like Australia, Canada & New Zealand) whether the slavery problem could have been solved, without violence, whilst still under British rule & law, before you attained your independence, thus sparing you the horrors of both the Revolutionary War & your Civil War. It seems to me that you won your independence before you were a fully united country, the North/South split coming back to haunt you later.

 

Australia, Canada & New Zealand are all now fully independent countries, still by their choice within the Commonwealth, without having to go to war with Britain & perhaps because their sense of nationhood had matured & developed gradually, while under British rule, they all avoided major internal strife when they became independent.

[constanius]

This one is holed & has been over-cleaned but has great detail. Interestingly(to me at least) the edge on this one is straight engrailed, whereas the lower one is diagonally engrailed. Also the holed medal is on a slightly smaller(24mm versus 25mm) & thinner planchet than other example.

[bill]

Australia, Canada & New Zealand are all now fully independent countries, still by their choice within the Commonwealth, without having to go to war with Britain & perhaps because their sense of nationhood had matured & developed gradually, while under British rule, they all avoided major internal strife when they became independent.

 

Yes, they gained their independence the old fashioned way, they asked the queen for permission and continue to say thank you by using her portrait on their coins.

[constanius]

Yes but if you had just bowed & said "please your majesty" your nation would include the lands now called Canada

[elverno]

Yes but if you had just bowed & said "please your majesty" your nation would include the lands now called Canada

 

But then we'd have universal health-care and other socialist trappings and would have to at least consider not going half-cocked into needless wars and etc. And where would the fun be? Also, significant portions of our population would turn statements into questions by adding "eh?" at the end. Confusion would abound... I'm not certain now whether I was protesting or lauding the idea. I need coffee.

[DavidP]

Here is an example of this piece (BHM#995), which I have recently acquired over here in England. I was fascinated to read the previous posts just prior to my purchase and so was very pleased to add it to my modest collection of George III coins. Here is the obverse, which shows some nice detail. The piece weighs approx. 5 gms.

[DavidP]

.... and here is the reverse ! Apologies for the rather poor images .... I am new to this forum and will hopefully improve my technique in due course.

[constanius]

.... I am new to this forum and will hopefully improve my technique in due course.

Welcome David

[Art1.2]

.... and here is the reverse ! Apologies for the rather poor images .... I am new to this forum and will hopefully improve my technique in due course.

 

Hello and welcome to CoinPeople. Glad you're here.