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1780EM 5 kopek, date altered from 1778 (probably)


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This strange coin was sold on ebay. A junk coin at first glance, off color and porous from improper cleaning plus toning.

Then the strange "80" strikes the eye. This does not seem to be an overdate of the time but is more likely a very recent job.

Why should someone do that this carefully?

The eagle is the 1778 one. Unknown for 1780 (as far as I know). Did someone intend to create an unheard of rarity?

He would have offered it as such.

But the seller did not proclaim any muling of dies or praise it as rare.

I have no explanation as to that artifact. :ninja: Sigi

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt...E:B:WNA:DE:1123

 

 

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I'll post better pictures when I receive the coin ;)

 

OOPS Alex, with ebay encoding bidders' pseudos, I didn't know bidders' identity. Please don't take it personal.

The date/eagle discrepancy was of course tempting to buy the coin. Has that variant been published anywhere?

:ninja: Sigi

 

 

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OOPS Alex, with ebay encoding bidders' pseudos, I didn't know bidders' identity. Please don't take it personal.

The date/eagle discrepancy was of course tempting to buy the coin. Has that variant been published anywhere?

:ninja: Sigi

 

 

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And I saw it, but I think that's another modern "novodel" but not only because of the "80":and the suspect colour like artificial patina, and the position of letters in KOPIEKI.

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OOPS Alex, with ebay encoding bidders' pseudos, I didn't know bidders' identity. Please don't take it personal.

The date/eagle discrepancy was of course tempting to buy the coin. Has that variant been published anywhere?

:ninja: Sigi

 

 

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No problem what so ever. I was going to show this coin here once I received it.

 

I am not aware of any publications listing this coin. Curiously enough Adrianov lists a 1781 coin with that eagle, but not the 1780!

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And I saw it, but I think that's another modern "novodel" but not only because of the "80":and the suspect colour like artificial patina, and the position of letters in KOPIEKI.

 

I thought that the pitting and the color look as they should on a dug up corroded coin that was cleaned. I also though/think that there might be an overdate from 78 or 79 hidden in that poor resolution picture. Of course, other possibilities exist.

 

I hope to examine this coin closely in the nearest future.

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modern local-shop-specialist :ninja:

 

on ebay coin, left leg does not look right especially this part __\\ << ;)

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  • 1 month later...

I can see the concern about the letters in Kopecki....the E seems to sit significantly higher than the other letters. I am curious as to what makes everyone suspect of the color. I have limited experience with this series, so good advice is needed.

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  • 3 weeks later...

Sometimes..I feel very deep need to organize a group

which will pay a visit to such "nice sellers"... :angry:

Although I was never cheated, few times someone was trying ...

Pity that in case of ebay the influence on such people is very

miserable... As I mentioned on diff place for 1 year I was fighting

with such guys and explaining to ebay the rules that they should create ..or to pay money

to some additional admin able to solve the problem faster - having simply the knowledge

on numismatics... :sorry:

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or to pay money

to some additional admin able to solve the problem faster - having simply the knowledge

on numismatics... :sorry:

:bthumbsup:

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I think that eBay has improved in the last couple of years, at least my experience has. I had no problems getting my money back in this, and in some other, cases. I also noticed that my spending on eBay has increased, I feel that there is less risk so I bid more.

 

I was getting extremely fed up with eBay at one point. I figure that things have started to improve after Meg Whitman left. All she did was raise commissions whenever shareholders clamored for better returns. I don’t see how a good CEO can let the brand name of the corporation fall into the gutter, and take no actions?! And they lost a huge market share to Amazon even though Amazon got into the game much, much later. I don’t envy California, once she becomes the new Governator! lol

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I think that eBay has improved in the last couple of years, at least my experience has. I had no problems getting my money back in this, and in some other, cases. I also noticed that my spending on eBay has increased, I feel that there is less risk so I bid more.

 

I was getting extremely fed up with eBay at one point. I figure that things have started to improve after Meg Whitman left. All she did was raise commissions whenever shareholders clamored for better returns. I don’t see how a good CEO can let the brand name of the corporation fall into the gutter, and take no actions?! And they lost a huge market share to Amazon even though Amazon got into the game much, much later. I don’t envy California, once she becomes the new Governator! lol

wow, intersting info :)

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