squirrel Posted June 3, 2010 Report Share Posted June 3, 2010 Ive had this one in my box for a while, and never paid it much attention as it seemed an ordinary low grade coin. I dont even remember where i bought it, either ebay or a coin show... but recently I was looking at an old Gorny auction catalog, saw an identical coin, in low grade, no mm, sold as a NOVODEL, Uzd 3374. I had assumed my coin had a worn mm, but looking with a loupe, there is no trace whatsoever of any mm, and the patina is consistant and unmolested in the field below the date. Could a novodel be found in such circulated condition? The Gorny coin, gm 86 oct 1997, lot 2451, is similarly worn, and also appears well circulated. Opinions?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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valdiman Posted June 3, 2010 Report Share Posted June 3, 2010 Weight-30,72g and diameter about 38mm listed in Bitkin H937 novodel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted June 3, 2010 Report Share Posted June 3, 2010 Hard to say what this coin had or didn't have, but considering the fact that the lower part of the obverse is also faint I would speculate that a light strike in that are is the cause of the missing mint mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valdiman Posted June 3, 2010 Report Share Posted June 3, 2010 Maybe is worth to send it to NCS for autentification?If original should be worth around 500$ even in this condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted June 3, 2010 Report Share Posted June 3, 2010 in my opinion it is NOT a novodel but regular strike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shtirlic Posted June 3, 2010 Report Share Posted June 3, 2010 do you have picture from Gorny? It's very seldom to see novodels in such condition It doesn't look like novodel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted June 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 Agreed. Novodels are almost always specimen quality. That is why I am put off. BUT... these Novodels, Brekke 207, were for the Industrial Fair of 1870. This is only 30 years after the original, and may well have mixed in with circulated coins, and been weakly struck in some instances is not impossible. maybe. The dots around the border are quite visible at 6 oclock. The date is well struck. Looking under the loupe, there is no hint of a mintmark whatsoever. none. and no tooling marks. here is a scan of the gm #86 lot. notes are not mine, catalog was ebay purchased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted June 4, 2010 Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 BUT... these Novodels, Brekke 207, were for the Industrial Fair of 1870. This is only 30 years after the original, and may well have mixed in with circulated coins in circulation with which coins - of 1867 design ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted June 4, 2010 Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 in circulation with which coins - of 1867 design ? Your coin is struck in a collar, as only St.Petersburg did, providing regular rims (EM, CM and the no mintmark pieces were not struck in a collar). As most St.Petersburg 3 kopeks bear a very faint mintmark, I'd opt for a faint St.Persburg mintmark worn away. Sigi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted June 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 Your coin is struck in a collar, as only St.Petersburg did, providing regular rims (EM, CM and the no mintmark pieces were not struck in a collar). As most St.Petersburg 3 kopeks bear a very faint mintmark, I'd opt for a faint St.Persburg mintmark worn away. Sigi Thank you for a logical explanation, Mr. Sigi. That makes sense to me. Can you tell if the gm coin was also struck in a collar? I can not tell, by my poor eyes. I think this one goes back in my shoebox, and not in my trays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted June 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 Here is my 1840 CM 3K for comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted June 5, 2010 Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 Opinions?? it must be noted that Gorny firm has improved a lot since sale 86 for example, the similar coin you questioning here apeared in auction 183 lot 7614 again, it is very unlikely if one assumes that it is novodel (but it is NOT), and after fair got into circulation among others design coinage as you wrote earlier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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