russia_coins Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 I have those coins in my collection. However I'm not sure about their authenticity. I hope you'll help me by posting your opinions. The 1839 poltina was bought from China and has a strange edge with illeagible markings (the seller garantees the authenticity). The polupoltinnik of 1798 feels too light for its size (I don't have a scale, should be 5 grams). The 20 kopek - 40 groszy coin was won on eBay with a very low bid. So what do you say ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 I think the 1842 is ok, the rest I hope you can return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russia_coins Posted April 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Nope, I cannot return them anymore, too late At least I didn't paid the full price ... Any other opinions ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Nope, I cannot return them anymore, too late At least I didn't paid the full price ... Any other opinions ? 1798 is 100% fake. The rest are hard to tell from the photos, but 1839 looks ok except for the edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal Citizen Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Nope, I cannot return them anymore, too late At least I didn't paid the full price ... Any other opinions ? They all look fishy to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 I am just curious - what was the not "full price" for 1798 polupoltinnik? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccg Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 1798 looks really bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 1842 is perfectly normal. Dies match known pieces. Quite scarce, so a good buy if you got it cheaply. Best, Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russia_coins Posted April 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 I am just curious - what was the not "full price" for 1798 polupoltinnik? I don't remember exactly, but something around 20$-30$. It was couple of years ago. In that time, I compared it to catalog pictures and found it OK. Could you tell what's the visible problems with it ? Looks like the coin will be removed from my collection... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russia_coins Posted April 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 1842 is perfectly normal. Dies match known pieces. Quite scare, so a good buy if you got it cheaply. Best, Steve Not really, I'm not collecting fakes, copies, etc. So it still bad I was fooled by very attractive low prices. But I saw a lot of people paying $100 - $1000 dollars for bad fakes... Now I've got my lesson and I don't buy anything without an authenticity garantee and a return possibility. However sometimes it's really hard to tell the difference between genuine and fakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 1842 is perfectly normal. Dies match known pieces. Quite scarce, so a good buy if you got it cheaply. Best, Steve Not really, I'm not collecting fakes, copies, etc. So it still bad I was fooled by very attractive low prices. But I saw a lot of people paying $100 - $1000 dollars for bad fakes... Now I've got my lesson and I don't buy anything without an authenticity garantee and a return possibility. However sometimes it's really hard to tell the difference between genuine and fakes I'm confused. My opinion was that the 1842 was fine (genuine, a bargain). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Don't have a problem with the dual denomination coin - nice buy. The edging of the 1839 poltina concerns me - I have never seen anything like that before. Otherwise I wouldn't have a problem with it. The polupoltina coin is obviously a counterfeit. It's a rather scarce coin and even in a low grade, it's easily several hundred dollar coin. Not a chance for a steal if it happened to be on ebay. There are just too many indications to say that it's clearly a fake, one is that the details isn't anything like a genuine one. Secondly, it doesn't look like silver. Lastly this seems to be pretty silly but it's way too circular. Technology in St. Petersburg wasn't upgraded until the early 1800s so all coins struck before couldn't possibly be a perfect circle. Trust me, it's almost impossible to find a filler Paul I polupoltina coin in any grade under one hundred dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russia_coins Posted April 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 I'm confused. My opinion was that the 1842 was fine (genuine, a bargain). Sorry I got you wrong ! By the way, I paid EUR 19.25 for it. I've missed couple of attemps to buy this coin before with bids over 100$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russia_coins Posted April 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Don't have a problem with the dual denomination coin - nice buy. The edging of the 1839 poltina concerns me - I have never seen anything like that before. Otherwise I wouldn't have a problem with it. The polupoltina coin is obviously a counterfeit. It's a rather scarce coin and even in a low grade, it's easily several hundred dollar coin. Not a chance for a steal if it happened to be on ebay. There are just too many indications to say that it's clearly a fake, one is that the details isn't anything like a genuine one. Secondly, it doesn't look like silver. Lastly this seems to be pretty silly but it's way too circular. Technology in St. Petersburg wasn't upgraded until the early 1800s so all coins struck before couldn't possibly be a perfect circle. Trust me, it's almost impossible to find a filler Paul I polupoltina coin in any grade under one hundred dollars. Thank you for this clarification. I'm not surprised about the 1798 coin. Even the 20 kopek-40 groszy coin is clearly heavier then polupoltina when you taken them both in hands ! Tonight I'll try to post the complete edge pictures of the 1839 poltina compared to 1840 genuine poltina I have. Another polupoltina type : 1797 polupoltina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marv Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Not really, I'm not collecting fakes, copies, etc. So it still bad I was fooled by very attractive low prices. But I saw a lot of people paying $100 - $1000 dollars for bad fakes... Now I've got my lesson and I don't buy anything without an authenticity garantee and a return possibility. However sometimes it's really hard to tell the difference between genuine and fakes I'm curious, and I don't mean to be critical, but are you in such an urgent need for these coins that you have to buy through Ebay and deal with unknown suppliers of dubious reputation? There are several very reliable Russian coin sources in the US that would be happy to help you put together a (genuine) fine Russian collection graded within your budget: DEALERS I know: Alexander Basok - New York (www.rustypennies.com) Dmitri Markov - New York (www.russian-coins.net) Jim Elmen - Santa Rosa (CA) Mark Teller - Encino (CA) (www.tellercoins.com) Steve Harvey - LA (CA) ...and others. These dealers have wide sources for finding Russian coins and have the expertise to know if a coin is genuine or fake. AUCTION HOUSES: Goldberg - usually medium to high quality items Heritage - same as above Kuenker - lots of Russian Items Others - folks on this forum can provide many other examples of reliable Auction houses You can buy from these gentlemen with utmost confidence, and, in the rare instance where even they are hoodwinked by a fake, they will always make it good. Sincerely, Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Price is an issue, although eBay is catching up in that respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 DEALERS I know:Alexander Basok - New York (www.rustypennies.com) Dmitri Markov - New York (www.russian-coins.net) Jim Elmen - Santa Rosa (CA) Mark Teller - Encino (CA) (www.tellercoins.com) Steve Harvey - LA (CA) ...and others. These dealers have wide sources for finding Russian coins and have the expertise to know if a coin is genuine or fake. Marv I think A Basok is from IL not from NY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 I think A Basok is from IL not from NY That is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 I think A Basok is from IL not from NY Correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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marv Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Price is an issue, although eBay is catching up in that respect. It appears though that folks on this forum spend a lot of time letting others know that indeed they've gotten a great price...for a fake. And since fakes are proliferating, it seems to me that the case for dealing with a recognized expert is all the stronger. Perhaps Ebay's venue as a coin source is past. Even a slabbed coin from Ebay doesn't guaranty authenticity. Especially where it concerns scarce or rare coins, the chance to stumble upon one, buy it for cents on the dollar and have it be genuine seems remote. Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 It appears though that folks on this forum spend a lot of time letting others know that indeed they've gotten a great price...for a fake. And since fakes are proliferating, it seems to me that the case for dealing with a recognized expert is all the stronger. Perhaps Ebay's venue as a coin source is past. Even a slabbed coin from Ebay doesn't guaranty authenticity. Especially where it concerns scarce or rare coins, the chance to stumble upon one, buy it for cents on the dollar and have it be genuine seems remote. Marv Very True! A sad state of affairs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russia_coins Posted April 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 I'm curious, and I don't mean to be critical, but are you in such an urgent need for these coins that you have to buy through Ebay and deal with unknown suppliers of dubious reputation? There are several very reliable Russian coin sources in the US that would be happy to help you put together a (genuine) fine Russian collection graded within your budget: DEALERS I know: Alexander Basok - New York (www.rustypennies.com) Dmitri Markov - New York (www.russian-coins.net) Jim Elmen - Santa Rosa (CA) Mark Teller - Encino (CA) (www.tellercoins.com) Steve Harvey - LA (CA) ...and others. These dealers have wide sources for finding Russian coins and have the expertise to know if a coin is genuine or fake. AUCTION HOUSES: Goldberg - usually medium to high quality items Heritage - same as above Kuenker - lots of Russian Items Others - folks on this forum can provide many other examples of reliable Auction houses You can buy from these gentlemen with utmost confidence, and, in the rare instance where even they are hoodwinked by a fake, they will always make it good. Sincerely, Marv I've already ordered coins from Alex Basok and Dimitri Markov and was 100% satisfied ! Thank you for other sources ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcupine Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 I'm curious, and I don't mean to be critical, but are you in such an urgent need for these coins that you have to buy through Ebay and deal with unknown suppliers of dubious reputation? There are several very reliable Russian coin sources in the US that would be happy to help you put together a (genuine) fine Russian collection graded within your budget: DEALERS I know: Alexander Basok - New York (www.rustypennies.com) You can buy from these gentlemen with utmost confidence, and, in the rare instance where even they are hoodwinked by a fake, they will always make it good. Sincerely, Marv Very true. Alex Basok recently took a coin back from me for full immediate refund, after NCS could not verify authenticity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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