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Something looks strange to me about it ... is it genuine? I'm out of my field of expertise here.

I'm not a rouble specialist but I think a forger wouldn't (yet) imitate a planchet defect plus clipped edge? :ninja: Sigi

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Without any "if" the coin looks genuine on these photos. Its preservation not such as it is desirable however

 

Lately it became very difficult to judge the authenticity by looking at some photographs, for the nice guys who produce fakes came a long way from the crude garbage they used to produce back in the 1990's (see Brekke supplement for illustrations on copper + RNS on silver) If you are able to definitively tell that this coin is original from this photo -- my hat is off to you sir... :ninja:

 

It does look OK, but there is no way to tell whether "IF" should be there or not.

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Lately it became very difficult to judge the authenticity by looking at some photographs, for the nice guys who produce fakes came a long way from the crude garbage they used to produce back in the 1990's (see Brekke supplement for illustrations on copper + RNS on silver) If you are able to definitively tell that this coin is original from this photo -- my hat is off to you sir... ;)

 

It does look OK, but there is no way to tell whether "IF" should be there or not.

Topic starter has doubts, looking at this photo. Hence we should see attributes of fake on this photo. I am not sure completely and definitely that the coin is original. I speak only that on this photo I do not see any attributes of a fake. :ninja: Tell us if you see, and we will discuss.

 

What's useful in declaration "I doubt because very convincing fakes are exist"? Such statement one can make in every case.

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Topic starter has doubts, looking at this photo. Hence we should see attributes of fake on this photo. I am not sure completely and definitely that the coin is original. I speak only that on this photo I do not see any attributes of a fake. :ninja: Tell us if you see, and we will discuss.

 

What's useful in declaration "I doubt because very convincing fakes are exist"? Such statement one can make in every case.

 

Ok. How do you explain that George almost rode away on that horse of his, but the talons on the orb are still there? The first things that go are those talons. You could say that the coin is bent, but it is not evident from the photo. Also, the "die crack" does not look like a crack to me. There is no original surface anywhere on the coin -- it was all scrubbed with a Brillo or something. Except for the similarity in detail, that is copied exactly when a fake is cast, I do not see anything on this coin that says "original" Thus, it is a fake to me until proven otherwise -- and these photos do not do it for me. A photo of the edge (at least) would be helpful. Although, as I said, this coin, "even if original", is not worth the opening bid, and is certainly not worth discussing it any further.

 

You originally stated: "Without any "if" the coin looks genuine on these photos" I took it that you are 100% sure that the coin is original from looking at the photo. If you are not certain, you should be a bit more clear next time, for you may convince someone to purchase a fake...

 

P.S. If you like Anna's rubles, we could start a topic discussing interesting varieties. I know that a bunch of members can contribute. GX for instance has a killer of 1730. ;)

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Ok. How do you explain that George almost rode away on that horse of his, but the talons on the orb are still there? The first things that go are those talons. You could say that the coin is bent, but it is not evident from the photo. Also, the "die crack" does not look like a crack to me. There is no original surface anywhere on the coin -- it was all scrubbed with a Brillo or something. Except for the similarity in detail, that is copied exactly when a fake is cast, I do not see anything on this coin that says "original" Thus, it is a fake to me until proven otherwise -- and these photos do not do it for me. A photo of the edge (at least) would be helpful. Although, as I said, this coin, "even if original", is not worth the opening bid, and is certainly not worth discussing it any further.

 

You originally stated: "Without any "if" the coin looks genuine on these photos" I took it that you are 100% sure that the coin is original from looking at the photo. If you are not certain, you should be a bit more clear next time, for you may convince someone to purchase a fake...

 

P.S. If you like Anna's rubles, we could start a topic discussing interesting varieties. I know that a bunch of members can contribute. GX for instance has a killer of 1730. :ninja:

I hope we have understood each other now ;)

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I hope we have understood each other now :ninja:

BK's points were more clearly explained this post ;)

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