Evgen Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Dear all, I am a new for this forum and hope I don't make any rule's breach by posting the question. Actually, I decided to come here, for your opinion, as, searching the Google, I have found a very good discussion here on the Russian fake golden roubles. At Ukrainian coin auction Aukro.ua some guy has put a golden 10 roubles of 1766, Catherine II, S-Petersburg version, letter П (russian P) in the wrong direction, 12.80 grams. He sells it with the certificate, signed by I.V. Shiryakov, head of numismatic department of Russian State Historical Museum. Still, someting (espcially weight which is about 3.5 % different to the original one) and total appearance makes me under impression of fake product. What's your opinion? Do you think it looks fine ( I realize the limitations of the screen phot analysis) or you also have some suspisions? The link is http://www.aukro.ua/show_item.php?item=702779536 Thanks to all replies! E. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RW Julian Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Dear all,I am a new for this forum and hope I don't make any rule's breach by posting the question. Actually, I decided to come here, for your opinion, as, searching the Google, I have found a very good discussion here on the Russian fake golden roubles. At Ukrainian coin auction Aukro.ua some guy has put a golden 10 roubles of 1766, Catherine II, S-Petersburg version, letter П (russian P) in the wrong direction, 12.80 grams. He sells it with the certificate, signed by I.V. Shiryakov, head of numismatic department of Russian State Historical Museum. Still, someting (espcially weight which is about 3.5 % different to the original one) and total appearance makes me under impression of fake product. What's your opinion? Do you think it looks fine ( I realize the limitations of the screen phot analysis) or you also have some suspisions? The link is http://www.aukro.ua/show_item.php?item=702779536 Thanks to all replies! E. Probably genuine. Same dies as a specimen which appeared in Finnish Numismatic Society auction 355. This is a very rare variety. The inverted letter П is normal for this die. RWJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 From photos posted it is hard to see whether the coin is the one listed on the expert opinion. The fact that those opinions are in black and white, does not help the matter. Anyway, with the $16,000 price tag for this condition, it is a good idea to see this coin in person and compare to the photo on the expertise. Then, if photos match, call Mr. Shirjakov to confirm that the expertise is not fake. If everything matches, you might as well believe what GIM said about it. Hard to tell gold by judging the photos. For some reason the condition of the portrait side does not match the condition of the other side. Could be ex jewelry or something. Could be that the field around the portrait was somewhat smoothed to take out a scratch. Although, those could be traces of planchette preparation before minting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 your coin is different from GM #6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evgen Posted August 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 [ your coin is different from GM #6 Dear one-kuna: I don't understand what do you mean. Sorry.... My you explain. Thank you. Evgen PS Thanks to everyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Dear one-kuna:I don't understand what do you mean. Sorry.... Georgii Mikhailovich had 2 coins of 1766: in Boston reprint Georgii Mikhailovich Plate V #6 does not match with yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evgen Posted August 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Georgii Mikhailovich had 2 coins of 1766:in Boston reprint Georgii Mikhailovich Plate V #6 does not match with yours. Thank you very much indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Thank you very much indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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