constanius Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Obv. THE INAUGURATION OF THE CHATEAU DE RAMEZAY|LIBRARY & MUSEUM|9TH OF APRIL 1896. Rev. CHATEAU DE RAMEZAY|BUILT IN 1704|MONTREAL Pewter 34mm by C. Tison The Château Ramezay is a museum and historic building on Notre-Dame Street in Old Montreal, opposite Montreal City Hall. Build in 1705 as the residence of then-governor of Montreal, Claude de Ramezay, the Château was the first building proclaimed as an historical monument in Quebec and is the province’s oldest private history museum. It has had many uses, prior to become the museum & library in 1896, it had been a school. Joseph LeRoux 1849-1904, the famous canadian numismatist, studied for 8 years in the building, then known as the Jacques-Cartier Normal School 1857-1882. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopher Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Thank You for posting such a wonderful piece! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedeadpoint Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 What a great design! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coindude Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 nice coin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coindude Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 nice coin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coindude Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 nice coin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 That's a super medal. It looks like a beautiful building too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumisMattic2200 Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 It certainly is an interesting medal, why the rat and lamp and the other symbols on the obverse? Just love the reverse design with the bare trees in front of the building and are we viewing this from across a river? It has been very artistically rendered, and the toning at top makes it look like a stormy sky with rain starting to come down.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constanius Posted July 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 It certainly is an interesting medal, why the rat and lamp and the other symbols on the obverse?Just love the reverse design with the bare trees in front of the building and are we viewing this from across a river? It has been very artistically rendered, and the toning at top makes it look like a stormy sky with rain starting to come down.. That RAT is a Beaver, the Canadian National Symbol Seeing as it is a museum/library the books are for the library, the tomahawk & calumet are the type of item you can still see in the display-cabinets today and the antique lamp is both an object that you can see in the museum & symbolizes the illumination of the past (Lamp of Knowledge) and the light to actually read books before electric or gas lighting. Glad you like the reverse image I do too There is no river in front, just grass then now a road. The large exergue does look like a river though, thanks for your interest and your great questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumisMattic2200 Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 That RAT is a Beaver, the Canadian National Symbol shok.gif hysterical.gif My sincerest apologies It is a cool beaver. Hmm okay so the hatchet is a tomahawk and the thing that looks like a pipe turned out to be a peace pipe (calumet de la paix), I wasn't too far off... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constanius Posted July 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 The Beaver is a rodent (just don't tell anyone) other countries used lions, eagles, bears etc as their national symbol. Mind the French picked a chicken, whether it is called Le Coq or rooster it is still a chicken. Mon Dieu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumisMattic2200 Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Haha - French picking a chicken...even worse, the British chose a Pussy-cat and a horse with a bit of rock on its head which doesn't even exist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedeadpoint Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 All America has is Bald Eagle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srs Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Am a long time numismatist and have published an article on Canadian Large Cent varieties in the February 1989 issue of the Numismatist (US publication). I have had this medal for more than 20 years but could not find out anything in regard to it except as indicated by its inscription. I decided to Google the item. I was lead to this site. My questions are: 1. Is this item listed or referred to in any Canadian reference work on medals, Exonumia etc? If so, kindly indicate via email such works. 2. Is the item common, scarce or rare? Trust my fellow numismatists may be of assistance. SRS Email: lhnumis@bellsouth.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constanius Posted July 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Obv. THE INAUGURATION OF THE CHATEAU DE RAMEZAY|LIBRARY & MUSEUM|9TH OF APRIL 1896. Rev. CHATEAU DE RAMEZAY|BUILT IN 1704|MONTREAL Pewter 34mm by C. Tison The Château Ramezay is a museum and historic building on Notre-Dame Street in Old Montreal, opposite Montreal City Hall. Build in 1705 as the residence of then-governor of Montreal, Claude de Ramezay, the Château was the first building proclaimed as an historical monument in Quebec and is the province’s oldest private history museum. It has had many uses, prior to become the museum & library in 1896, it had been a school. Joseph LeRoux 1849-1904, the famous canadian numismatist, studied for 8 years in the building, then known as the Jacques-Cartier Normal School 1857-1882. The reference work for Canadian medals is "The Canadian Coin Cabinet" by the above mentioned Joseph LeRoux & covers the period of 1492-1892(published 1892) & as you can see the obverse is dated 1896 which is just outside of that date range. All is not lost. because the reverse was used previously as the obverse of LeRoux#1517a the reverse of that medal being EXHIBITION SOUVENIR MONTREAL 1891/ P.N. BRETON NUMISMATIST, MONTREAL rarity 4. I have found no other info on this medal, I think this medal would be rated as very rare, yours is the only other one I have seen. I have posted quite a few Canadian medals here on CoinPeople in both Exonumia & the Canadian Coin forum, in fact I have another one to post when I have some time. Hope this is of some help to you. Welcome to the forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constanius Posted August 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 Am a long time numismatist and have published an article on Canadian Large Cent varieties in the February 1989 issue of the Numismatist (US publication). I have had this medal for more than 20 years but could not find out anything in regard to it except as indicated by its inscription. I decided to Google the item. I was lead to this site. My questions are: 1. Is this item listed or referred to in any Canadian reference work on medals, Exonumia etc? If so, kindly indicate via email such works. 2. Is the item common, scarce or rare? Trust my fellow numismatists may be of assistance. SRS Email: lhnumis@bellsouth.net SRS has provided me with some additional info which he obtained from Daniel Gosling of the Royal Canadian Numismatic Association (RCNA) in regards to this medal. The Chateau de Ramezay Medals from Canadian Antiquarian and Numismatic Journal Third Series Vol I No 1 January 1897; page 46 63. Breast plate and knipple cleaners. A. Desroches Esq. page 86 CASE 11 Canadian Medals &c. 11. The Desroches Medal. Inauguration of Museum, April 9, 1896. Illustrated History of Coins and Tokens Relating to Canada by P.N. Breton page 232-233 Biography of Alfred Desroches. I had already noted that the medal shared the obverse with the Breton medal, the biography of Desroches by Breton states that Desroche twice sold his collection of coins & medals to Breton, so they were well acquainted which explains Breton allowing Desroches to re-use his obverse. Apart from the one picture & description in Canadian Antiquarian and Numismatic Journal Third Series Vol I No 1 January 1897(the year after the medal was issued) it seems to have just disappeared, no auction sales or references. How many were struck is an unknown, SRS & I have not been able to find any other examples or mention of this medal, except the one in the Ramezay Museum(if it is still there) & our ones, so it seems only a few were ever issued. Here is an earlier medal issued by Desroches also by C. Tison http://www.coinsandcanada.com/tokens-medals-misc.php?title=a.-desroches-numismate-montreal&id=944 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art1.2 Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 That's interesting information. I really like the medal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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