one-kuna Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Hi, here is the crown of my collection, it is oversize ( Ø 47 millimeters, weight 76.6 grams). I am not sure if it is an old novodel or a very nice business strike, almost too nice for a business strike? What do you think? Thanks as always, Sigi By sigistenz gorgeous business strike, in the past I had same ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 This is much better, let's do numismatics only! I have information that Chernetsov in his catalog (Oxfod University) was discussing on the various interpretations of what these figures are representing. Besides that I like Chernetsov catalog better than others, however I like Doctor Spassky position on these figure representation - Doctor Spassky in his book Russian monetary history represented only one and one version that these figures are of coinmakers and I stay with him in all respect to Zaitsev book ! I do not recall ever reading of such interpretation of the scene depicted on Novgorod dengas. Here's what Doctor Spassky states in his famous book - The Russian Monetary System: Tanslation: On Novgorod (coins) - a mysterious scene, probably representing homage of Novgorod to St. Sofia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 At the same time even the earliest sources interpret this scene in the same light as Zaitsev. Here's how Chaudoir described Novgorod coins: And this is from 1884 publication by Tolstoi: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Perhaps you are confusing Novgorod coins with some coins of Tver? Those sometimes do depict a coin maker: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Hi, here is the crown of my collection, it is oversize ( Ø 47 millimeters, weight 76.6 grams). I am not sure if it is an old novodel or a very nice business strike, almost too nice for a business strike? What do you think? Thanks as always, Sigi By sigistenz Very nice Sigi! I think it might be an early novodel based on the smoothness of the fields. Here is my favorite Siberian coin (which I think is probably an original). It weighs 31.0 grams (my scale is not accurate enough for hundredths of a gram). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Great Siberian coins! Wish I had some in this state Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Very interesting. What are the 2 people doing? It looks like they are holding a globe or something. I'm glad you liked these. As for the Novgorod coin, some say that it's the Prince and Bishop holding hands (a peace gesture?). When I looked at it, it looked like they were arm-wrestling . But all kidding aside, 'alexbq2' seemed to have the best theory, in that it's the Prince/Duke and Bishop paying homage to each other. Due to the abstract pattern, the theory is up for grabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Hi, here is the crown of my collection, it is oversize ( Ø 47 millimeters, weight 76.6 grams). I am not sure if it is an old novodel or a very nice business strike, almost too nice for a business strike? What do you think? Thanks as always, Sigi it is a business strike, whoever says that it might be a novodel needs to get in, take a picture of novodel and compare with sigi' one business strike; and how can one possibly say that it is novodel because of smooth fields - it is ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Nice coins from both 'alexbq2' and 'sigistenz'. The Novgorod specimen is very nice. While the obverse has weak spots, the legend on the reverse is very solid which is rare for wire coins. The Siberian (1770) coin that 'sigistenz' posted is definitely museum quality. This among the best I've seen for it's crisp detail and centered strike. Thanks for sharing . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RW Julian Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Hi, here is the crown of my collection, it is oversize ( Ø 47 millimeters, weight 76.6 grams). I am not sure if it is an old novodel or a very nice business strike, almost too nice for a business strike? What do you think? Thanks as always, Sigi By sigistenz The reverse (initial side) does not match known novodel reverses of 1771 and 1774 in my data base, which are from the same die; for this reason I think this is an exceptionally nice circulation strike of 1770. RWJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 The reverse (initial side) does not match known novodel reverses of 1771 and 1774 in mydata base, which are from the same die; for this reason I think this is an exceptionally nice circulation strike of 1770. RWJ thank you for taking a position for being NOT NOVODEL sample of sigi piece; in addition, whoever says this one might be an earlier novodel needs to go to Goldberg 2005 sale and compare same year coin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 I do not recall ever reading of such interpretation of the scene depicted on Novgorod dengas. do you have on hands Chernetsov catalog ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 do you have on hands Chernetsov catalog ? No, could you provide a scan of the relevant pages, and his reasoning to interpret the scene depicted on the Novgorod coins differently than: Tolstoi, Chaudoir, Chertkoff, Schubert, Chapskiy, Spassky, Gaidukov and Zaitsev? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thee_Immortal_One Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Well, the crown of my collection is a loose set... 1654 Novodel Rouble and full commerative rouble set from 1834 Alex I Memorial to 1914 Gangut but I will always have a special place in my heart for the 1756 poltina in gold... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Well, the crown of my collection is a loose set...1654 Novodel Rouble and full commerative rouble set from 1834 Alex I Memorial to 1914 Gangut but I will always have a special place in my heart for the 1756 poltina in gold... Pictures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 No, could you provide a scan of the relevant pages, and his reasoning to interpret the scene depicted on the Novgorod coins differently than: Tolstoi, Chaudoir, Chertkoff, Schubert, Chapskiy, Spassky, Gaidukov and Zaitsev? i do not have on hands chernetsov, that is why i asked if you have, the only way i can get it and take a look on various description and interpretation of novgord dengas, if i go to ans library one day; anyway in spassky book under novgorod and pskov minichapter he says that coinmaker was on coin (no confusing with tver denga/pulo), spassky 4th edition, page 93-99; in addtion, my respond was more focused on why an expert asks a forum what is depicted on a traditional russian coin; being here for a while there were few options: just to know what it is, look into references, do internet research, or simply skiping this subject; i just reviewed gaidukov book and he mentioned in respect fedorov-davidon book coins of novgorod pricipality - can be good respond too; i currently do not have one on hands, only his book coins of moscow pricipality p.s. best answer can be obtained from doctor peter gaidukov, do yuo want to prepare shoart question so he can respond? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thee_Immortal_One Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Pictures? well, www.russian-coins.com All there except the Gangut (I am still working on an update). Got a Mariage Medal/Ruble to be posted. P.S. I know I alternate between Ruble and Rouble. It's to keep Puttan guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 well, www.russian-coins.com All there except the Gangut (I am still working on an update). Got a Mariage Medal/Ruble to be posted. P.S. I know I alternate between Ruble and Rouble. It's to keep Puttan guessing. So, you finally revealed your identity (somewhat) Many years ago, when there was very little related to Russian coins available on the internet - this site (www.russian-coins.com) was already there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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