sigistenz Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 There was an attractive 10kop1796 in the Künker sale #150, lot 2580. Struck over a 1763 pyatak. It can still be viewed at the Künker site. I faintly remembered having seen the coin somewhere before. Without knowing where. Today I discovered that it is identic with the Монеты и Медали coin - http://www.numismat.ru/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?year=1796 What do we make out of this? Sigi By sigistenz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 There was an attractive 10kop1796 in the Künker sale #150, lot 2580. Struck over a 1763 pyatak. It can still be viewed at the Künker site.I faintly remembered having seen the coin somewhere before. Without knowing where. Today I discovered that it is identic with the Монеты и Медали coin - http://www.numismat.ru/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?year=1796 What do we make out of this? Sigi By sigistenz Oh oh. These coins seem to have the very same undertype traces in the very same locations and the same minor flaws in the same locations, which seems like a highly improbable situation. I wonder if there are more identical examples out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Same coin, photographed in different light and or different photoshop editing? Same coin, lightly cleaned before going to Kuenker? corrosion pattern and green stuff match up, in addition to flaws, as mentioned by Grivna1726 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Same coin, photographed in different light and or different photoshop editing?Same coin, lightly cleaned before going to Kuenker? corrosion pattern and green stuff match up, in addition to flaws, as mentioned by Grivna1726 It's the same coin. Moneti & Medali Sale 31, June 2005, Lot 586, $8500. Assuming it was actually in Russia at the time of the sale, it then was taken out sometime during the past 4 years; risky for such a high profile coin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 It's the same coin.... Ah, okay, that's reassuring. I was having a very bad feeling there (not only about the coin, but at the thought that the forgers have gotten that good at their craft). I am relieved to know that my attack of doubt was not justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 It's the same coin. Moneti & Medali Sale 31, June 2005, Lot 586, $8500. Assuming it was actually in Russia at the time of the sale, it then was taken out sometime during the past 4 years; risky for such a high profile coin. Some more provenance: same coin was auctioned back to Russia in 1997 on Gelos 6, lot 102 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARENUM Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 Ah, okay, that's reassuring. I was having a very bad feeling there (not only about the coin, but at the thought that the forgers have gotten that good at their craft). I am relieved to know that my attack of doubt was not justified. I have the same feeling about reverse, but didn’t see coin personally .Possible more variety of the dies exist I'm sure the Russian Auction houses have see more coins for the type then I do . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 I have the same feeling about reverse, but didn’t see coin personally .Possible more variety of the dies exist I'm sure the Russian Auction houses have see more coins for the type then I do . of course there are more pieces in Russia especially with auction houses operating last ten years over there even without deep search I can re-call two more pieces auctioned in Russia couple years ago etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwi Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 I have one of these coins ... not the best condition ... say GOOD ... any idea of the price ... could not find it in KM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Kiwi, it's a terrible counterfeit. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwi Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Kiwi, it's a terrible counterfeit. Sorry. Phew ... thank god for that ... cos I have just sold it earlier on eBay and thought I'dmade a big mistake. Thanks for taking the time to respond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Phew ... thank god for that ... cos I have just sold it earlier on eBay and thought I'dmade a big mistake. Thanks for taking the time to respond. To prevent future buying mistakes - purchase some Russian catalogs at list... Good Luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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