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Yes I admit the price i quoted is quite high. And yes, you can find items far cheaper on ebay (not unc ofcourse), but you can not find unc grade on ebay. Can you find rp.100 squirrel or rp.50 aligator unc on ebay?

 

Yesterday I saw two of 1000 rupiah from flower series with 2 letter format (H-264b) (not on ebay ofcourse), quite rare.

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Yes I admit the price i quoted is quite high. And yes, you can find items far cheaper on ebay (not unc ofcourse), but you can not find unc grade on ebay. Can you find rp.100 squirrel or rp.50 aligator unc on ebay?

 

If you wait long enough you may find anything.

 

There are plenty of unc notes on ebay.

 

Here is an UNC squirrel note:

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/INDONESIA-100-RUPIAH-N...1QQcmdZViewItem

 

I have bought one of these in UNC. from ebay before. The 50 rupiah is much harder to find in nice condition, I do not remember seeing one in UNC¬

 

The starting price for this 100rp is a bit high so it has not got any bids.

 

BTW, how much do you think for 1997 50rupiah and 1000 rupiah coins?

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That's good. Are you developing it for Dr. Arifin?

 

Thelawnet, the forum can be found on koleksiuang.forumwww.com

Currently all the categories and forums title are in Indonesian language. Participation are welcomed.

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Thelawnet, the forum can be found on koleksiuang.forumwww.com

Currently all the categories and forums title are in Indonesian language. Participation are welcomed.

 

Thanks. Is this the site you were making?

 

The forum needs to be integrated into the uang-kuno site, because there are already a lot of visitors to uang-kuno.com, and I fear that they wil not make it to a different domain without any permanent links.

 

The other issue I think free forums are not necessarily reliable. For instance, it seems there is no way to backup the phpbb database (even though this is a feature of the phpbb system): http://support.makeforum.org/post15.html?highlight=#15 The free hosting could disappear at any time with all content lost.

 

Actually I believe that uang-kuno.com is registered at godaddy. They provide free hosting with the domain name, but there is advertising. For $3 per month you can turn off the advertising. This is what I have done on the website I have registered with godaddy (http://www.bukitlawang.com/)

 

I would strongly recommend keeping control of your content. But anyway, this is up to Dr. Arifin, as it is his domain name and his website.

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Are they both new, never folded?

 

The value depends on serial, but assuming they are new and of the most common types, the 2500 rupiah is worth over $100, maybe $150, and the 500 rupiah around $300.

 

How much did you buy them for?

 

Iam bought 2007..not new but looking okelah ..

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I am conducting a census of Netherlands Indies notes.

 

Please contact me if you have any of the following:

 

Any De Javasche Bank notes 1864-October 1925

 

5 gulden:

Coen notes issued before 21 November 1927, between 13 December 1927 and 22 April 1930, or after 27 March 1931

 

Wayang notes issued:

  • on or before 21 November 1934 (prefix IW or earlier)
  • between 5 June 1937 and 4 October 1937 (prefix UC to UN)
  • between 3 May 1939 and 3 July 1939 (prefix VA to VS)
  • on or after 16 August 1939 (prefix KT or later)

 

10 gulden

Coen notes issued on or before 24/3/1927 (FX or earlier)

Coen notes issued between 3/4/1928 and 23/2/1929 (ZH to BY)

Coen notes issued on or after 12/3/1931 (WW to YT)

 

Wayang notes issued on or before 3/10/1933 (WW to YT)

Wayang notes issued 5/2/1934 to 20/9/1937 (JP to KH)

Wayang notes issued 19/9/1938 to 28/7/1939 (BF, BG, BH or BI)

Wayang notes issued on or after 31/8/1939 (NE or later)

 

25 gulden

Coen notes serial prefix LM to MB

Coen notes SR, SS, ST, SU, SV, SW, SX, SY

Coen notes VT, VU, VV, VW

 

notes CM to DH (Wayang or Coen)

 

Wayang notes FN, FO, FP, FR, FS or FT

Wayang notes IZ or later

 

50 gulden

Coen (or Frame) EO to FK prefix

Coen HW to IE

Coen JC, JD, JE

 

KM, KN, KO, KP, KR, KS (could be Wayang or Coen)

 

Wayang MM or later

 

100 gulden

prefix CG to CN (Coen-Mercurius or Coen)

prefix CT, CU, CV, CW, CX

prefix HC

 

prefix IP to IW (Wayang or Coen)

 

Wayang MA or later

 

200 gulden

prefixes RD, RE, RF, RG, RH, RI, RJ (Coen or maybe before)

prefixes RL, RM, RN, RO, RP (Coen)

prefix SS or ST (either Coen or Wayang)

prefix SZ or later (Wayang)

 

300 gulden

prefix OM to OR (Coen or could be earlier)

prefix OT or later (Coen)

 

500 gulden

prefix NU, NV, NW (Coen or maybe earlier)

prefix OE (Coen)

prefixes OO and later (Wayang)

 

1000 gulden

prefix MU (Coen or Coen-Mercurius)

prefix NE or NF (Coen or Wayang)

prefix NI, NJ, NK (Wayang)

prefix NM or later (Wayang)

 

I need the serial number including prefix, date of issue, denomination, and security code on the back (not for the Wayang series). Also the signatures if possible.

 

***updated 5 April 2009***

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Wayang 10 gulden series # : BE 07581, 19-9-38, sign Waveren

Wayang 10 gulden series # : BE 07583, 19-9-38, sign Waveren

Wayang 25 gulden series # : FU 01643,44,45, 01775,76, date: 7-11-38, sign Waveren

Wayang 25 gulden series # : IY 04438,39,40, date 4-7-39, sign Smith

Wayang 50 gulden series # : KT 00285, date 19-4-38

Wayang 100 gulden series # : LZ 01231, date: 22-4-39

Wayang 100 gulden series # : KX 07876 and KX 09419, date : 14-3-38

Wayang 100 gulden series # : KY 06960, date 15-3-38

Wayang 500 gulden series # : OL 07346 and OL 07401, date : 4-6-38

Coen 100 gulden series #: CS 02916, 5 November 1925, sign Ligthart, control # 12906

Coen 500 gulden series #: OH 03951, 19 Augustus 1930, sign Praasterink, control # 15835

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Wayang 10 gulden series # : BE 07581, 19-9-38, sign Waveren

Wayang 10 gulden series # : BE 07583, 19-9-38, sign Waveren

Wayang 25 gulden series # : FU 01643,44,45, 01775,76, date: 7-11-38, sign Waveren

Wayang 25 gulden series # : IY 04438,39,40, date 4-7-39, sign Smith

Wayang 50 gulden series # : KT 00285, date 19-4-38

Wayang 100 gulden series # : LZ 01231, date: 22-4-39

Wayang 100 gulden series # : KX 07876 and KX 09419, date : 14-3-38

Wayang 100 gulden series # : KY 06960, date 15-3-38

Wayang 500 gulden series # : OL 07346 and OL 07401, date : 4-6-38

Coen 100 gulden series #: CS 02916, 5 November 1925, sign Ligthart, control # 12906

Coen 500 gulden series #: OH 03951, 19 Augustus 1930, sign Praasterink, control # 15835

 

Thanks, I have updated my list. I have quite a lot of data now.

 

E.g., 500 Gulden:

 

Coen-Mercurius 06/07/1919 NT van den Berg

Coen 07/01/1926 NY van Rossem

Coen 02/07/1926 OD van Rossem

Coen 16/08/1930 OF Praasterink

Coen 18/08/1930 OG Praasterink

Coen 19/08/1930 OH Praasterink

Wayang 02/06/1938 OI van Waveren

Wayang 04/06/1938 OL van Waveren

Wayang 04/06/1938 OL van Waveren

Wayang 27/04/1939 ON van Waveren

 

 

So there were at least six series of Coen in 1926 (59,994 notes), and a maximum of 4 series of Coen in 1930 (maybe only 3, depends when OE was issued).

 

But are you sure about the code of 500 gulden OH?

 

Please see note OG

http://www.javaauction.info/gambar.php?mod...l&nomor=929

 

This is code 15864

 

I think OH should be 15865, or it could be a larger number. It should not be less than 15864.

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Another 500 gulden JP. Coen series :

 

Coen Mercurius, NH 5822, 1 Februari 1916, v d. berg, 9125

Coen Mercurius, NI 7698, 29 December 1917, v.d Berg, 9761

NX 07205, 6 Januari 1926, van Rossem, 13102

NZ 01945, 8 Januari 1926, Van Rossem, 13150

OA 06645, 9 Januari 1926, Van Rossem, 13210

OG 09400, 18 Augustus 1930, Praasterink, ?????

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Another 500 gulden JP. Coen series :

 

Coen Mercurius, NH 5822, 1 Februari 1916, v d. berg, 9125

Coen Mercurius, NI 7698, 29 December 1917, v.d Berg, 9761

NX 07205, 6 Januari 1926, van Rossem, 13102

NZ 01945, 8 Januari 1926, Van Rossem, 13150

OA 06645, 9 Januari 1926, Van Rossem, 13210

OG 09400, 18 Augustus 1930, Praasterink, ?????

 

OG is 15864.

 

I need to find Coen OB, OC, and OE, plus find NU, NV, NW (which could be Coen-Mercurius as well) to have the complete list of dates of issue of the Coen 500 gulden notes.

 

OB and OC would be 1926, OE is either 1926, 1929 or 1930. 1929 is listed as a date in KUKI, but I think it is unlikely.

 

Here are my estimates for total issued for 100 gulden and above:

 

(Each issue is 9999 notes)

100 gulden:

Coen series (all): between 151 and 168 issues

 

Each signature:

Ligthart/Trip: Minimum 4 issues, maximum 17

van Rossem/Trip: Minimum 104 issues, maximum 113

Praasterink/Wichers: Minimum 34 issues, maximum 46

 

Wayang (all Waveren/Wichers): At least 78 issues

 

200 gulden:

Coen (all): between 32 and 41 issues

 

Ligthart/Trip: between 1 and 13 issues

van Rossem/Trip: 23 to 29 issues

Praasterink/Wichers: 3 or 4 issues

 

Wayang at least 5 issues

 

300 gulden:

at least 1 issue

 

500 gulden:

Coen (all): 11 to 14 issues

 

van Rossem/Trip: 8 to 11 issues

Praasterink/Wichers: 3 or 4 issues

 

Wayang: at least 6 issues

 

1000 gulden:

Coen (all): 9 to 14 issues

 

van Rossem/Trip: 9 to 14 issues

Praasterink/Wichers: zero to two issues (I need to find out the issue dates of series NE and NF)

 

Wayang: at least six issues

 

Based on these data, all the KUKi prices for the Praasterink/Wichers signature combination are too low.

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Coen 300 gulden

OS 04685, 8 Januari 1926, control # 13191 (see KUKI)

OS 04688, 8 Januari 1926, control # 13191 (see picture)

Coen_300__2_.jpg

 

 

Do you know what is the secret behind the control numbers?

Same day, same control numbers??

 

Some points:

 

* each denomination of note has a two letter serial prefix. This started in 1864 (Frame Series). The prefixes run consecutively, but Q is not used. So if AP was issued, the next was AR, then AS, AT, AU, AV, AW, AX, AY, AZ, BA, etc.

* after issuing ZZ, they then issued AA.

* the serial prefixes continue unbroken in consecutive order from 1864 to 1939

* it is unlikely that they started each note with AA, because if you consider that prefix NH for 500 gulden was issued on 1/2/1916 and ON in 27/4/1939 while for 1000 gulden ME was issued on 1/5/1897 and NL on 28/4/1939, they moved through less than 50 prefixes in 42 years, so I do not think it is possible that they could have made it from AA to ME in the preceding 33 years. That said, the prefixes of the larger notes are similar - Coen 200 g is from RK, 300 g is from OS, 500 g is from NX and 1000 g is from MV. Given that the larger denominations would have had fewer issues, it is likely that they all started on the same prefix. My guess is that all denominations started with MA on first issue in 1864. But it could be something else.

* Because there are only 6.25 million combinations from AA 1 to ZZ 9999, notes with duplicate serials can definitely be found - but they would be issued on different dates

* For the smaller denominations you can even find notes of the same series with the same serial. E.g., Wayang 5 gulden IX was issued 21/11/1934, and IX was again issued some time between 3/12/1936 and 8/12/1936

* On the other hand, the rarer denominations, i.e. 200, 300, 500 and 1000 gulden definitely only have one of each serial prefix. As for 100 gulden, I suspect that exactly one of each prefix was issued. I base this on the fact that the first prefix I have, XR was issued in 1908 and the last Wayang prefix I have found is LZ in 1939. If they started with MA, it is likely that notes MA->XR were issued between 1864 and 1908 (and not MA->ZZ, AA->XR, that would be too much money). 50 gulden turns out to be not really significantly more common than 100 gulden, the last note I've seen is ML, and the first, in 1916, BS.

* the notes of De Javasche Bank have 4 digit serial numbers, running 1 to 9999 for each and every prefix. But at some point they decided to add a 0 before the serial number. In the 1920s they even used two preceding zeroes. Regardless of the 1 or 2 leading zeroes, only four numbers are actually significant.

* The notes were shipped from Haarlem blank, and completed in batches of 9999 in Batavia.

* On each day zero or more batches of 9999 would be issued for each denomination. Dated 22 January 1935 I have found notes of prefix PG and PM. If you convert the serial prefix to a number, then that is 382 and 388. Prefixes 383-387 (PH - PL) would also have been issued on that date. Dated 2/2/1935 I've found UK, and 5/2/1935 VD. VD is equivalent to prefix 504, so between 22/1/1935 and 5/2/1935 AT LEAST 122 batches of 9,999 notes were issued. This is 1,219,878 notes, or 6.6 million gulden.

* Regarding the control numbers, these go up in ones according to the date, denomination and prefix.

 

Here are the date I have:

 

Denomination	Issue Date	Serial letters	Code
300	30/04/1901	OL	5011
5	31/10/1901	YM	10853
100	13/04/1908	XR	7751
100	14/04/1908	XS	7756
5	22/05/1913	RN	8357
10	16/08/1913	UI	8861
5	26/09/1913	VS	9229
10	21/10/1913	WO	9285
200	08/01/1916	PH	9152
500	01/02/1916	NH	9125
50	03/06/1916	BS	9404
500	29/12/1917	NI	9761
100	03/01/1919	ZF	10497
500	03/01/1919	NL	10742
1000	03/07/1919	MR	11510
500	06/07/1919	NT	11505
200	09/09/1919	PU	11488
20	16/01/1920	FK	10714
25	01/04/1920	IE	10988
10	12/06/1920	HH	11040
10	02/09/1920	IU	11184
5	11/09/1920	IJ	11174
50	05/10/1920	CS	11170
5	20/10/1920	JS	11238
25	03/12/1920	LB	11446
10	09/12/1920	KN	11358
100	10/12/1920	BN	11825
25	15/12/1920	LL	11892
100	11/02/1921	BZ	11836
100	02/05/1921	CF	11842
50	10/08/1922	EN	11872
200	10/08/1922	PX	11914
200	15/08/1922	RB	11918
200	16/08/1922	RC	11919
10	13/03/1923	SO	12271
5	17/01/1924	GS	12543
5	08/09/1924	OJ	12858
100	02/11/1925	CO	12903
100	03/11/1925	CP	12904
200	04/11/1925	RK	12936
100	05/11/1925	CS	12906
200	11/11/1925	RR	12942
100	12/11/1925	CY	12912
100	16/11/1925	DB	12915
200	27/11/1925	SF	13183
25	05/12/1925	MC	12943
25	29/12/1925	MV	12966
500	06/01/1926	NX	13102
500	07/01/1926	NY	13187
50	08/01/1926	FL	12985
300	08/01/1926	OS	13191
500	08/01/1926	NZ	13150
500	09/01/1926	OA	13210
25	13/01/1926	NH	12978
50	16/01/1926	FT	12992
50	20/01/1926	FW	12995
1000	01/07/1926	NC	13287
200	02/07/1926	SN	13264
500	02/07/1926	OD	13268
1000	02/07/1926	ND	13296
50	05/03/1927	GY	13514
100	23/03/1927	EP	13523
25	01/07/1927	RD	14246
100	04/07/1927	ET	13649
25	12/07/1927	RM	14336
100	25/07/1927	FL	13903
100	30/07/1927	FR	13987
10	27/08/1927	LE	13871
10	01/10/1927	MW	13922
10	11/10/1927	PX	14106
10	11/10/1927	RF	14114
5	24/11/1927	GE	14036
10	03/01/1928	WL	14443
100	16/01/1928	GE	14243
100	17/01/1928	GF	14244
100	19/01/1928	GH	14251
100	21/01/1928	GK	14253
100	24/01/1928	GM	14253
100	25/01/1928	GN	14536
100	30/01/1928	GS	14340
25	27/03/1928	SP	14665
50	15/01/1929	IJ	14793
25	17/01/1929	TL	14744
25	22/01/1929	TP	14748
25	25/01/1929	TT	14782
25	29/01/1929	TW	14785
25	07/02/1929	UC	14791
10	23/02/1929	BZ	14814
25	12/03/1929	UL	14831
25	19/03/1929	US	14845
25	26/03/1929	UY	14851
5	01/04/1929	VB	14871
25	20/04/1929	VS	14932
50	24/04/1929	IX	14920
10	15/07/1929	EG	15692
10	03/08/1929	EY	15022
50	03/08/1929	JF	15004
50	08/08/1929	JJ	15008
50	13/08/1929	JN	15050
50	14/08/1929	JO	15051
10	09/09/1929	GD	15078
100	02/11/1929	HE	15218
100	05/11/1929	HG	15220
25	06/11/1929	XJ	15098
25	11/11/1929	XN	15102
25	18/11/1929	XU	15173
50	21/11/1929	JT	15093
50	26/11/1929	JX	15224
25	08/01/1930	YF	15231
25	10/01/1930	YH	15313
25	11/01/1930	YI	15314
5	22/04/1930	GP	15536
5	22/04/1930	GU	15540
5	23/04/1930	HE	15550
5	24/04/1930	HG	15552
5	25/04/1930	HS	15563
100	25/04/1930	HS	15485
5	26/04/1930	IA	15571
25	30/04/1930	ZV	15671
100	03/05/1930	HZ	15662
25	13/08/1930	AA	15784
500	16/08/1930	OF	15775
500	18/08/1930	OG	15864
500	19/08/1930	OH	15885
10	26/08/1930	PP	15899
50	28/08/1930	KL	15870
25	30/08/1930	AP	15962
200	15/10/1930	SO	15954
200	16/10/1930	SP	16042
200	17/10/1930	SR	16043
25	23/10/1930	AY	16053
25	25/10/1930	BA	16055
5	15/11/1930	VM	16160
5	15/01/1931	YR	16279
10	16/01/1931	VI	16312
25	19/01/1931	BW	16256
25	20/01/1931	BX	16299
5	20/01/1931	AM	16345
10	14/02/1931	VY	16364
25	09/03/1931	CC	16349
5	27/03/1931	DA	16462
5	27/03/1931	DC	16464

 

As you can see the numbers increase over time.

 

Also the numbers are unique to the combination of serial prefix and denomination. That said, although the numbers seem to go up in 1s for the same denomination (e.g., 25 gulden AY above is 16053, and 25 gulden BA is 16055, therefore 25 gulden AZ would be 16054) for some reason it seems like they perhaps had different numbers allocated to different denominations.

 

 

I don't understand why the security numbers do not simply increment across all series. But they do not. All I can say is that the bank officials would have recorded the correct codes for each prefix/denomination combination and if somebody created a fake not where the security code was not correct for the prefix, it would be identified.

 

One thing with my data above is that there are probably some errors in the security codes, they are hard to read and I probably made one or two mistakes.

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Preliminary data on 100 gulden Coen note:

 

Issue dates:

 

Ligthart/Trip (Scarcest):

 

Issue Dates: 2nd, 3rd, probably 4th, 5th November 1925, possibly other dates between 6th November and 11th November 1925, possibly also earlier dates.

 

At least 4 issues of 9,999 notes, but could be as many as 16. Most likely somewhere in the middle.

 

Van Rossem/Trip (Most common)

Issue Dates: November 1925, March 1927, July 1927, January-February 1928. Other dates may also exist.

 

At least 104 issues of 9,999 notes. Could be up to 111 issues.

 

Praasterink/Wichers

 

Issue Dates: November 1929, April-May 1930, August 1930, October 1930. Other dates may also exist.

At least 36 issues. Possibly up to 45.

 

Issues by year:

1925: 25+ (could be up to 50)

1926: probably zero

1927: 36+ (up to 65)

1928: 23+ (up to 39)

1929: 10+ (up to 13)

1930: 21+ (up to 33)

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0439.jpgGreat research, very helpfull for me.

Now, how about 50 gulden (Coen and wayang), how much prefiks do you know, can you explain too?

Thank you

 

Regarding the 50 Gulden note, the issue of this was started probably in January 1926, van Rossem/Trip. The first note I found is 4 January 1926, prefix FH. It's likely that there are some notes before this, this is just the earliest I found.

 

There was a big issue in January 1926, from at least 4th to 20th January, inclusive.

 

The next issue is from 1st July 1926, although it's possible the issue started in June, and also that there might be an issue in between. This was also van Rossem/Trip. It continued until at least 12th July.

 

After that I find March 1927, also van Rossem/Trip, plus July 1927 and March 1928 also.

 

Michielsen/Trip starts in January 1929, ending on 31st January. The second Michielsen/Trip issue starts 17th April 1929, continuing till at least 29th April, but maybe until May.

 

Praasterink/Wichers begins I think 3rd August 1929, but maybe one or two days earlier. This issue continued for about 2 weeks. There was another issue in November 1929, then April and August 1930.

 

50 Gulden Wayang seems to begin 19th April 1938 (only one signature type). But maybe a little earlier - is that prefix KM in your picture?

 

Notes were issued from then through until 4th June 1938.

 

The second and final 50 Gulden Wayang issue was 11th through 14th May 1939, prefixes MI, MJ, MK, ML. It's quite possible it continues after that though.

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