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Hello everyone, I am a bit new to medals and this is my first Russian medal , however, I am not a novice to Russian Coins. Here it is, recently purchased this large bronze medal dated 1762 on ebay. It measures 65mm and its weight is 4.68oz, 4.26toz or 132.6 grams. It has a width of 0.5 centimeter. The details are super sharp, but one thing puzzles me is its edge. Although I can stand the medal on its edge, it appears to be somewhat uneven. Can someone shed some light and put my mind at eaze, or not. Scans are provided, but due to their size may be lacking a bit.

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I am surprized nobody has any thoughts on this medal ;)

 

You must think we are here 24x7. I am here only half of that. :ninja:

 

I do not like the medal you are showing us. The surfaces are not right.

The uneven edge is normally a sign of original 18th century striking, but not in this case.

Does it have a ring or a dull thud? Most likely a copy of some sort.

 

BTW, I bought 2 medals on Ebay recently that were no good and they looked much better than this one.

Unless the seller is offering normal conditions (paypal, return, etc.) - do not buy on Ebay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

This is what this medal should look like:

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igors, the details on my medal when compared with what u provided as as detailed if not in some cases more detailed than on yours. But this could be an issue with your scan and lighting. I will attempt later to make a better scan of mine.

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igors, the details on my medal when compared with what u provided as as detailed if not in some cases more detailed than on yours. But this could be an issue with your scan and lighting. I will attempt later to make a better scan of mine.

 

The weight does not matter. Does the medal have a nice ring or a dull thud when you ping it while balancing on your finger?

I was not concerned with details but with surface quality in fields. Do not waste your time with better scans. Just try to evaluate it the best you can. BTW, I do not like the color either. The ultimate would be to show it to someone in person.

Do not missunderstand me, I am not trying to give you hard time here, just trying to point you in the right direction (hopefully).

My medal is not handy, so I can not make a scan of the edge right now.

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Igor, I know that you not giving me a hard time and I really appreciate the input. I can return the medal, but really was hoping it was real. There is a small fleck of white showing on one edge (not sure what it is). I do have a photo(s) in a better light, which is more representative of its true color. If you would like, I can send you these to your email. If it would not be too much burden to evaluate it then. Any help is greatly appreciated.

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I do not like the medal you are showing us. The surfaces are not right.

 

Agreed. I think it is probably a cast copy. ;)

 

BTW, I bought 2 medals on Ebay recently that were no good and they looked much better than this one.

Unless the seller is offering normal conditions (paypal, return, etc.) - do not buy on Ebay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Good advice. :ninja:

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Just send it for authentication to NGC/NCS, they authenticate/grade Russian medals. For a small fee you will know for sure what it is. NGC label that states “not genuine” is good enough to return to any dealer/seller, opinion you get on a forum is not sufficient though.

 

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I sent a high resolution photos to igors, hopefully he can tell me something. I am not sure I would spend more money to get the medal authenticated.

 

I received the pictures. The one of the edge clearly shows that it is a galvanocopy - two halves pressed together with an attempt to cover the seam on the edge. Please show it here for members to see.

 

 

As to other medals that you will come across - stay away from silvered copper/bronze medals. The Rissian mint produced gilded medals, but never silvered (to the best of my knowledge). A few years back there was an attack of those fakes and I still see them here and there on Ebay.

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Whoa, never knew how deceptive galvanocopy can be ;) Nevertheless, I would most likely end up buying a copy if the price is right.

 

IgorS just wondering about the current market trend that I see on ebay - I see a lot of lead / pewter medals of that era appearing from time to time. Are these likely to be galvanocopy as well? :ninja:

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Whoa, never knew how deceptive galvanocopy can be ;) Nevertheless, I would most likely end up buying a copy if the price is right.

 

IgorS just wondering about the current market trend that I see on ebay - I see a lot of lead / pewter medals of that era appearing from time to time. Are these likely to be galvanocopy as well? :ninja:

 

I would think that lead/pewter would be a cast. But according to BKB, pewter medals did exist - made for the lower classes.

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