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The illustration in the Grand Duke’s corpus shows the figure 4 to be considerably

smaller than the figure 9 in the date.

 

The only piece in my database is from a Fixed Price Offering by Ekaterina in

June 2004 and it also has a smaller figure 4 but as an overdate, 1794/0. I have

no record of a counterfeit for this issue.

 

On the other hand, the 1794 KM Polushka has a 4 about the same size as the 9.

 

Steve Moulding has a better database for copper than I do and may well have a

more definitive answer.

 

RWJ

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Alex.. Do you have images for the Obverse of these two? both Reverse Images seem to be from the same die, but one is KM and the other EM? :ninja:

VERY Clear examples of the 1794/0 date

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Alex.. Do you have images for the Obverse of these two? both Reverse Images seem to be from the same die, but one is KM and the other EM? :ninja:

VERY Clear examples of the 1794/0 date

 

I was just thinking the same thing ;) At least with respect to the die.

 

Here's the link to the website:

http://www.numismat.ru/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?year=1794

 

Supposedly EM:

http://www.numismat.ru/cgi-bin/cavid.cgi?i...25-1&te=jpg

 

KM:

http://www.numismat.ru/cgi-bin/cavid.cgi?i...26-1&te=jpg

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I recently sold a bunch of 1790's polushkas. I found several that looked strange at first glance. The horses mane for example looked bogus. Closer examination verified the authenticity (in my opinion only). The dies were small and the engravers may have had too much vodka. Each coin looked entirely different from the rest. Just my opinion.

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Well if this coin is R1 there were likely to have been several dies, so I don't know if it makes sense to make judgment based the last digits.

 

As to MiM I think they made a mistake, not sure which way EM to KM or KM to EM.

 

I also think their 1851 BM 5 kopeeks is likely to be EM

 

http://www.numismat.ru/cgi-bin/cavid.cgi?i...-9-2&te=jpg

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I was just thinking the same thing :ninja: At least with respect to the die.

 

Here's the link to the website:

http://www.numismat.ru/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?year=1794

 

Supposedly EM:

http://www.numismat.ru/cgi-bin/cavid.cgi?i...25-1&te=jpg

 

KM:

http://www.numismat.ru/cgi-bin/cavid.cgi?i...26-1&te=jpg

The piece I copied in June 2004 (Ekaterina Fixed Price Offering) was marked EM but is identical to the KM you note above.

 

Some of the Ekaterina website illustrations are in error, though probably very few. One such example is their 1785 Two

Roubles, which is actually 1786/5.

 

The obverse dies for both specimens you note appear to be the same.

 

RWJ

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The illustration in the Grand Duke’s corpus shows the figure 4 to be considerably

smaller than the figure 9 in the date.

 

The only piece in my database is from a Fixed Price Offering by Ekaterina in

June 2004 and it also has a smaller figure 4 but as an overdate, 1794/0. I have

no record of a counterfeit for this issue.

 

On the other hand, the 1794 KM Polushka has a 4 about the same size as the 9.

 

Steve Moulding has a better database for copper than I do and may well have a

more definitive answer.

 

RWJ

I'll check when I get home, but I vaguely recall I've only seen 2 or maybe 3 of the 1794EM: Brekke and 2 from MiM (possibly the same coin, and likely the same as RWJ mentions). I could be wrong; I'll confirm later.

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I recently sold a bunch of 1790's polushkas. I found several that looked strange at first glance. The horses mane for example looked bogus. Closer examination verified the authenticity (in my opinion only). The dies were small and the engravers may have had too much vodka. Each coin looked entirely different from the rest. Just my opinion.

 

What vodka has to do with this?

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