squirrel Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=360094629839 Looks a little too nice? St George looks a bit odd... and the 94 doesnt look right to me.. andyone have an opinion? This coin is R1 in Bitkin, and one of the rarest date EM polushkas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RW Julian Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 The illustration in the Grand Duke’s corpus shows the figure 4 to be considerably smaller than the figure 9 in the date. The only piece in my database is from a Fixed Price Offering by Ekaterina in June 2004 and it also has a smaller figure 4 but as an overdate, 1794/0. I have no record of a counterfeit for this issue. On the other hand, the 1794 KM Polushka has a 4 about the same size as the 9. Steve Moulding has a better database for copper than I do and may well have a more definitive answer. RWJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Image from MiM EM http://www.numismat.ru/cgi-bin/cavid.cgi?i...25-2&te=jpg KM http://www.numismat.ru/cgi-bin/cavid.cgi?i...26-2&te=jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted October 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Image from MiMEM http://www.numismat.ru/cgi-bin/cavid.cgi?i...25-2&te=jpg KM http://www.numismat.ru/cgi-bin/cavid.cgi?i...26-2&te=jpg Alex.. Do you have images for the Obverse of these two? both Reverse Images seem to be from the same die, but one is KM and the other EM? VERY Clear examples of the 1794/0 date Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Image from MiMEM http://www.numismat.ru/cgi-bin/cavid.cgi?i...25-2&te=jpg KM http://www.numismat.ru/cgi-bin/cavid.cgi?i...26-2&te=jpg Curious, now that I've looked at them side by side, I'm convinced that both MiM database coins are KM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Alex.. Do you have images for the Obverse of these two? both Reverse Images seem to be from the same die, but one is KM and the other EM? VERY Clear examples of the 1794/0 date I was just thinking the same thing At least with respect to the die. Here's the link to the website: http://www.numismat.ru/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?year=1794 Supposedly EM: http://www.numismat.ru/cgi-bin/cavid.cgi?i...25-1&te=jpg KM: http://www.numismat.ru/cgi-bin/cavid.cgi?i...26-1&te=jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Shaver Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 I recently sold a bunch of 1790's polushkas. I found several that looked strange at first glance. The horses mane for example looked bogus. Closer examination verified the authenticity (in my opinion only). The dies were small and the engravers may have had too much vodka. Each coin looked entirely different from the rest. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Well if this coin is R1 there were likely to have been several dies, so I don't know if it makes sense to make judgment based the last digits. As to MiM I think they made a mistake, not sure which way EM to KM or KM to EM. I also think their 1851 BM 5 kopeeks is likely to be EM http://www.numismat.ru/cgi-bin/cavid.cgi?i...-9-2&te=jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RW Julian Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 I was just thinking the same thing At least with respect to the die. Here's the link to the website: http://www.numismat.ru/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?year=1794 Supposedly EM: http://www.numismat.ru/cgi-bin/cavid.cgi?i...25-1&te=jpg KM: http://www.numismat.ru/cgi-bin/cavid.cgi?i...26-1&te=jpg The piece I copied in June 2004 (Ekaterina Fixed Price Offering) was marked EM but is identical to the KM you note above. Some of the Ekaterina website illustrations are in error, though probably very few. One such example is their 1785 Two Roubles, which is actually 1786/5. The obverse dies for both specimens you note appear to be the same. RWJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 The illustration in the Grand Duke’s corpus shows the figure 4 to be considerablysmaller than the figure 9 in the date. The only piece in my database is from a Fixed Price Offering by Ekaterina in June 2004 and it also has a smaller figure 4 but as an overdate, 1794/0. I have no record of a counterfeit for this issue. On the other hand, the 1794 KM Polushka has a 4 about the same size as the 9. Steve Moulding has a better database for copper than I do and may well have a more definitive answer. RWJ I'll check when I get home, but I vaguely recall I've only seen 2 or maybe 3 of the 1794EM: Brekke and 2 from MiM (possibly the same coin, and likely the same as RWJ mentions). I could be wrong; I'll confirm later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennysky Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Mike, I bought a bunch of your KM Polushkas and if needed can take photos and post for reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perpetualtime Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 I recently sold a bunch of 1790's polushkas. I found several that looked strange at first glance. The horses mane for example looked bogus. Closer examination verified the authenticity (in my opinion only). The dies were small and the engravers may have had too much vodka. Each coin looked entirely different from the rest. Just my opinion. What vodka has to do with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted October 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 http://www.coinpeople.com/index.php?showtopic=21331 parallel thread regarding this coin.... now with better images and a happy ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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