ageka Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 This coin is described as genuine However the smoothness of the surface disturbs me Can this coin be real ? Could it be a silver coin with goldplating ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ageka Posted July 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Reverse failed because of global limits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stujoe Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Is this in an auction or other such online venue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ageka Posted July 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 It is in a german auction There is a guarantee but no take back possible After 3 days price is 1 euro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stujoe Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 It almost looks like one of those replicas put out by National Collectors Mint or some such place but I couldn't find any 1904's done by them. It has that 'too good' look to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stujoe Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Or it could be real and just not his picture. http://www.coinfacts.com/double_eagles/lib...ouble_eagle.htm PCGS Proof-65 Cameo. No wonder it looks so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ageka Posted July 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Or it could be real and just not his picture. http://www.coinfacts.com/double_eagles/lib...ouble_eagle.htm PCGS Proof-65 Cameo. No wonder it looks so good. That was my second idea ; I repeatedly asked for a raw scan and got no answer The link you posted is indeed the picture he showed inclusive the slight blemish at 5 o'clock Man you are fast I webcrawled for two hours and could not find that 1904 Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stujoe Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 It was a lucky hit. After I found the auction, I went to CoinFacts to check on examples of the date and there it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ageka Posted July 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 It was a lucky hit. After I found the auction, I went to CoinFacts to check on examples of the date and there it was. I first searched for fakes and found no silver goldclad 1904 Then I searched for proofs and found this matte I did no know exists http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayIS...&category=52618 Then I found a real proof but with slightly wobbly surface like I would expect which made me even more doubtfull of the picture http://www.coinsite.com/content/coinpics/1871G20.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtryka Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 It looks like they just copied the photo, and by the way, that is a photo of a genuine proof 1904 double eagle. I would not purchase any 1904 double eagle from Europe though, as that is one of the most commonly counterfeited dates (which makes this even more suspect given the bogus photo). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28Plain Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 Good catch, Stu. That one is so obviously an extremely high grade proof you have to wonder why it's in an auction online. Gorgeous coin. I'm partial to that super glossy type of proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stujoe Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 Good catch, Stu. That one is so obviously an extremely high grade proof you have to wonder why it's in an auction online. Gorgeous coin. I'm partial to that super glossy type of proof. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I would have put even odds that it was a repro when I first saw it. Sometimes you see a coin that is so above and beyond what you expect for the type that you start looking for 'Copy' on it somewhere. I once saw a Proof Morgan that was like that...I would have sworn it was fresh off of one of today's presses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28Plain Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 Some proof Washington quarters I've seen look like chrome plated replicas with the glossy smoothness of the surfaces. That's a lovely proof type, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ageka Posted July 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 I had three thoughts 1) a goldclad because there are allways goldclads on offer but without the word copy or the word copy removed http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt...8319032165&rd=1 2) a software manipulated photo with despeckling and all the other odds added in 3) A copy cat picture of somebody elses photos When I asked the question I was leaning to the last possibility because all the coins he has for sale have a different background and we all stick to our preferred background But only Stujoe found the original Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stujoe Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 When I asked the question I was leaning to the last possibilitybecause all the coins he has for sale have a different background and we all stick to our preferred background That is a very good point! If a seller has a number of auctions up, the pictures are almost always going to look very, very similar. If they are wildly different, some warning bells should start ringing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ageka Posted July 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 Ok this one looks too good to be true also Any idea were this picture was lifted from if it was http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&rd=1&item=8321562521&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 No idea, but I am not going to buy into that. Zero feedbacks = too risky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ageka Posted July 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 No idea, but I am not going to buy into that. Zero feedbacks = too risky. The first picture I posted was a 28 feedbacker and I am now tracking one with 199 feedbacks who says the picture is the coin you buy but he is lying because he uses the same reverse for at least three coins Feedback is a minimum but many people do not know how to grade themselves and do not have a loupe to look what they bought nor a weighing scale And they probably leave a positive feedback for delivery within a reasonable time for a coin that looks like what they thouhgt they bought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 Yes, I know. It's easy to make drones of such auction "sellers". Some rumors are that they are programmed to do something like that, which is pretty horrible. Of course I do know that feedbacks are almost useless, it's still a way to check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ageka Posted July 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 Yes, I know. It's easy to make drones of such auction "sellers". Some rumors are that they are programmed to do something like that, which is pretty horrible. Of course I do know that feedbacks are almost useless, it's still a way to check. I do not think I bought from anybody with less then 20 pos feedbacks I will send them any kind of question and look how fast and what kind of answer they give If the answer is timely and friendly and correct I may bid However some are so dumb that if you ask for a better pic they just sent the same bad 96 dpi but enlarged which is useless and 90% do not seem to know any better Virtually nobody seems to understand a 300 dpi bitmap request Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBobo Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 I have asked several different sellers for better photographs and have never recieved even a courtesy response. Needless to say, I didn't bid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ageka Posted July 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 Half of the requests I send out to ask for mailing cost do not get an answer and then they are surprised I suppose why their coin does not fetch a good price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ageka Posted August 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Th!is coin is offered as a fake 1918 sovereign Especially the rims give it away http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt...me=STRK:MEWA:IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ageka Posted August 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 I know hardly anything about silver coins This 1900 one ounce silver walking liberty only weighs 0.71 ounce It is not mine but somebody is asking for help on it Is this a common fake ? It tested no silver with acids would it be aluminium ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ageka Posted August 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 The obverse Sorry cannot get it any sharper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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