Evgenij Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Hi, I am thinking about sending this coin for slabbing to NGC, do you think they will grade this coin at AU 50 +? Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Hi, I am thinking about sending this coin for slabbing to NGC, do you think they will grade this coin at AU 50 +? Thank you Welcome to CoinPeople, Evgenij! It's very difficult to make any predictions about grades given by 3rd party services such as NGC or PCGS. What is important is what grade you think this coin has. If you do not have enough experience in coin grading, you probably should buy some slabbed coins yourself before buying more expensive raw coins so that you have some point of comparison. Personally, I would want to see the coin in hand before making any conclusions. I think it is not a good idea to grade a coin just from pictures. In any case, the darker areas on the coin around the legend on the reverse suggest that it might have been improperly cleaned sometime in the past. In that case, NGC might not slab it at all. Coins which are AU usually have much more mint luster than is evident in the pictures, IMHO. I would therefore say XF detail, possibly cleaned. But it is just my own opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evgenij Posted July 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Thank you bobh for welcoming me and for your valuable opinion! I wish you had a chance to hold this coin and make a better judgement, hovewer once i get this coin, will post scans, may be it will be easier to determine if the coin is worth slabbing or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Nice looking coin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marv Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 First of all, this design is in relatively low relief, so it is harder to grade. Secondly, AU, ideally, should be reserved for a coin where only the very highest parts of the design show a bit of wear. Thirdly, it's difficult to really estimate the grade from a picture, and not a very magnified one at that. So, that being said, I would grade this coin XF as, in my opinion, it has too much wear over the whole obverse portrait to qualify for AU. Some AU coins would be mistaken for unc, and one would have to look closely for signs of wear as opposed to, for example, striking weaknesses. In the case of your coin, there is plenty of wear visible, although not severe, so that's why I would call it XF. A higher relief coin is easier to grade as the design elements are not so protected by the coin's edges. Marv Finnley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennysky Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 I agree w/MARV and would like to add that although the coin appears to be about extra fine, it may also exhibit other signs of detertioration and/or damage. Better scans, including the edge would help. First of all, this design is in relatively low relief, so it is harder to grade.Secondly, AU, ideally, should be reserved for a coin where only the very highest parts of the design show a bit of wear. Thirdly, it's difficult to really estimate the grade from a picture, and not a very magnified one at that. So, that being said, I would grade this coin XF as, in my opinion, it has too much wear over the whole obverse portrait to qualify for AU. Some AU coins would be mistaken for unc, and one would have to look closely for signs of wear as opposed to, for example, striking weaknesses. In the case of your coin, there is plenty of wear visible, although not severe, so that's why I would call it XF. A higher relief coin is easier to grade as the design elements are not so protected by the coin's edges. Marv Finnley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evgenij Posted July 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 Hi, i got better scans. Sorry, i have to use the link from another site where i posted the pics, since i can't compress this ones to less than 100kb and at the same time mainain quality. Thanks for your feedback!!! http://www.monetki.ru/forum/download.php?id=8298 http://www.monetki.ru/forum/download.php?id=8297 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturzny Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Based on these scans I would agree with previous comments - XF 45 at best and quite likely to have been cleaned in the past. In my opinion, this is a very decent coin but not quite investment grade, and I would not slab it unless having the equivalent of a certificate of authenticity is important to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evgenij Posted July 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Hi, thank to all of you for your answers! One more question : Do you think cleaning this coin with ezest will improve the appearance of the coin? Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 If cleaning yourself with hydrochloric acid makes you feel clean since it will dissolve all the dirt from you, sure why not??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evgenij Posted July 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Hi, so today i cleaned the coin with ezest.Let me know what you think:) I think the coin looks better now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sturzny Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 If you think it looks better, what everyone else thinks probably does not matter until you contemplate selling it. I know a number of collectors who just like their coins white and shiny and can't bear any sort of spots or toning and will dip their coins as many times as it takes. They know about all the injunctions against cleaning and just don't care. And that's fine as far as I'm concerned. However, if this is your first experiment with ezest, you chose a fairly expensive coin to experiment with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 It looks a lot worse. I would just pay VF money on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evgenij Posted July 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 It looks a lot worse. I would just pay VF money on that. You must be kidding me. There is no way that this coin can be graded al low as VF. I am fairly new to collecting coins, hovewer i based on my own experience, this coin simply can't be rated that low. Can you state exactly what looks worse now on the coin? 2 I didn't experiment with ezest, just dipped the coin for 10 seconds, washed and dried - did exactly the same thing as other experienced collectors. 3 It matters to me what you think, as some times it's really nice to hear what other people have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 You must be kidding me. There is no way that this coin can be graded al low as VF. He didn't say it would grade VF, he said he would only pay VF money for it ... of course, it's hard to be objective if you KNOW that the coin has been cleaned! I think it looks better after the dip, but it's hard to tell from pictures alone what kind of mint luster the coin has (or had)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Look, you are asking for an opinion here. It's cleaned and the fact does not change. Cleaned. It's not professionally done. You could have sent it to NGC conservation service but you couldn't be bothered. If you are asking for a value here, that's what it is. VF. No reason why I should pay XF money for a cleaned coin when I could get an original one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Hmmm ... this looks familiar somehow... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=300242104141 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Hmmm ... this looks familiar somehow... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=300242104141 Nothing wrong with a quick turn around of investment capital, provided the ROI is healthy of course! Doubt that GXseries would be interested in this offer though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evgenij Posted July 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 I am selling this coin only for 1 reason - want to get AU or MS grade coin. BTW, i received an offer for 1200$, therefore i don't think that it's such a poor grade coin:))))))))))) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evgenij Posted July 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 I am selling this coin only for 1 reason - want to get AU or MS grade coin. BTW, i received an offer for 1200$, therefore i don't think that it's such a poor grade coin:))))))))))) ROI will be around 400$ - i paid 800$ ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 ROI will be around 400$ - i paid 800$ ) Congrats! Sounds like you've done very handsomely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evgenij Posted July 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Thank you! Now with 1200$ i will start looking hard for AU coin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evgenij Posted July 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt...I:IT&ih=005 I will go for this one. Any opinions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt...I:IT&ih=005 I will go for this one. Any opinions? Looks like you are already high bidder on this coin so (for reasons you well know) I'm not going to offer an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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