orest Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Just won this http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt...4.cWON.m313.lVI coin on ebay. It doesn't look like it's been cleaned and has very nice toning. Can any one share his/her thought on this coin? Thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orest Posted April 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Correct me if i am wrong, but this coin looks to be in XF++ condition. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 I suggest you change your user id on Ebay. BTW, user id has a lot to say about its owner. It is either someone's name, or their collecting preference, or something they like, or someone they like. What is it in your case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orest Posted April 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 I suggest you change your user id on Ebay. BTW, user id has a lot to say about its owner. It is either someone's name, or their collecting preference, or something they like, or someone they like. What is it in your case? Yeah, you're right about it, i use my friends accoung temporarily as mine is temprorarily banned for bidding since i made too many bid retractions. So what do you think about the coin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Yeah, you're right about it, i use my friends accoung temporarily as mine is temprorarily banned for bidding since i made too many bid retractions. So what do you think about the coin? looks very corroded. I do not know whether that from time and elements or artificial. Please provide better scans when you get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 The rims are questionable and surface looks a bit odd. I just hope it's just bad photography. But yes, like what BKB mentioned, do post higher quality photos once it gets to your place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaE Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 In any case it looks genuine and looks like you had a better deal than the guy who bought the same coin in VF for $300 - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=330224300983 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vasil Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 I even dont try to think what means that ebay id in romanian.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 In any case it looks genuine and looks like you had a better deal than the guy who bought the same coin in VF for $300 - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=330224300983 You might be right. I am not so sure. Roubles of this type often show up in high grade and in prooflike, even gem, condition. The strikes are typically sharp due to improved minting technology (unlike earlier roubles). This coin might be genuine, although I would like to see better pictures. I notice that the coin has an evenly distributed porosity which seems to extend over the entire surface of each side (including devices). Also, details seem somewhat mushy for such an apparently high grade coin (judging by what appears to be the presence of cartwheel luster). These things bother me, although I do not draw any firm conclusions from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banivechi Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 I suggest you change your user id on Ebay. BTW, user id has a lot to say about its owner. It is either someone's name, or their collecting preference, or something they like, or someone they like. What is it in your case? Maybe he's gynecologist... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaE Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 You might be right. I am not so sure. Roubles of this type often show up in high grade and in prooflike, even gem, condition. The strikes are typically sharp due to improved minting technology (unlike earlier roubles). This coin might be genuine, although I would like to see better pictures. I notice that the coin has an evenly distributed porosity which seems to extend over the entire surface of each side (including devices). Also, details seem somewhat mushy for such an apparently high grade coin (judging by what appears to be the presence of cartwheel luster). These things bother me, although I do not draw any firm conclusions from them. I believe there is an environmental damage on this coin, that's why surface looks porous, but the price is not bad considering what is being sold on ebay and it seem to have a nice patina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 I believe there is an environmental damage on this coin, that's why surface looks porous, You might be right. I do not know why the coin is porous. but the price is not bad considering what is being sold on ebay and it seem to have a nice patina. I agree, assuming (of course) that it is genuine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 cleaned and artificially toned. no way to tell how long ago. my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Correct me if i am wrong, but this coin looks to be in XF++ condition. What do you think? It's got AU detail, but I'm not sure about the toning. Sometimes silver coins can tone like this from cleaning, perhaps using bleach. The rims look dented in several places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orest Posted April 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 It's got AU detail, but I'm not sure about the toning. Sometimes silver coins can tone like this from cleaning, perhaps using bleach. The rims look dented in several places. Is there any way to verify if the coin was actually artaficialy toned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roaddevil Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 cleaned and artificially toned. no way to tell how long ago.my opinion. my first guess also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 Is there any way to verify if the coin was actually artaficialy toned? Not that I know of. Usually, artificial toning is used to cover up traces of cleaning. You might want to examine the coin with a 10x jeweler's loupe or under a microscope for traces of cleaning. If it was cleaned, then chances are the toning is either a direct result of the cleaning or else applied later in an effort to hide the cleaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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