Esteladus Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Please help identify what kind of coin this is. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Esteladus Posted March 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Added size comparison to a US penny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 This thing is a fake. On a real coin the emperor would be Peter The Great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Obvious fake. From the same estate sale I'm guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esteladus Posted March 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Yep, same estate sale. Doesn't look good... How can you tell it's a fake? Where can I find picture of a real one? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Yep, same estate sale.Doesn't look good... How can you tell it's a fake? Where can I find picture of a real one? Thanks! It is a crude forgery. The style is grotesque and cartoonish and immediately obvious to anyone familiar with the real thing. Here is a real one: I don't wish to offend, but I strongly recommend you do some reading, learn about the coins, familiarize yourself with what genuine coins look like and find a reputable dealer before you spend another cent buying coins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RW Julian Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Please help identify what kind of coin this is. Thanks! The following link is to another of these pieces, not the same coin but from the same dies: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=290192329934 This seller has had quite a few of these questionable “estate” coins over the past few years and complaints to eBay have been a waste of time. RWJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hussulo Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 The following link is to another of these pieces, not the same coin but from the same dies: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=290192329934 This seller has had quite a few of these questionable “estate” coins over the past few years and complaints to eBay have been a waste of time. RWJ The sale is final (ie no returns) at US $581.00 !!! ouch. Who ever bought that coin for that price is in for a nasty shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roaddevil Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 hmm to be fair the fake makes ol' Peter look younger ...and i like the "o.k." initial under Peter's bust ..mostly since its a 18th century coin that has clear initial's in the first place...but also that the initial's are specifically "O.K." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 hmm to be fair the fake makes ol' Peter look younger ...and i like the "o.k." initial under Peter's bust ..mostly since its a 18th century coin that has clear initial's in the first place...but also that the initial's are specifically "O.K." "O.K." are the initials of Ottfried Koenig, who made rouble dies at Moscow 1718-1724. He did not make the dies for the fake shown from the "estate sale". Here is a genuine 1723 (with "O.K."). It was sold by Busso Peus in 2005 at auction for 10,000 Euros (roughly $13,000 at the time): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hussulo Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 "O.K." are the initials of Ottfried Koenig, who made rouble dies at Moscow 1718-1724. He did not make the dies for the fake shown from the "estate sale". Here is a genuine 1723 (with "O.K."). It was sold by Busso Peus in 2005 at auction for 10,000 Euros (roughly $13,000 at the time): Wow. I know next to nil about Russian coins but I'm not really liking the look of that one. I don't like the colour of the areas where it has worn. It almost looks like it has been silver plated and the silver plating has worn off. Especially around the face. Where they minted with low grade silver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Wow. I know next to nil about Russian coins but I'm not really liking the look of that one. I don't like the colour of the areas where it has worn. It almost looks like it has been silver plated and the silver plating has worn off. Especially around the face. Where they minted with low grade silver? I'm not sure what the silver standard was for the 1723 rouble issue (maybe 0.72?) Peter at least partly financed the Great Northern War with Sweden by progressively lowering the silver content of his coinage. This is probably why there was so little silver struck 1715-1717 inclusive (only wire money, no milled coinage). Roubles struck in the early years of the Saint Petersburg Mint (first issued in 1724) were often overstruck on flattened flans of various imported foreign thalers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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